Grading Question

[Harliduck]

I stumbled across this beauty on ebay...and obviously a little out of the range of the set I am putting together, lol. I rarely buy graded cards, and have made no secret I pop and set free most (I do collect some hi-grades for personal reason). This card, albeit an amazing card, is a PSA 10 and I don't get it. Is the back not diamond cut and a little OC? If I dropped $40K on a card solely because it has a high grade, at a 10 wouldn't it be fair to expect perfection? The price jump is 20 to 40x's a going rate based solely on the grade.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-TOM-SEA...item5d47cfe425


I am either blind or confused...










With the old adage, buy the card not the holder (something I definitely follow), this card can be called a 10 all day long but I hardly doubt this will sell?

[glynparson]

But that is not a Psa 10 s definition.

[savedfrommyspokes]

It is also funny that a $40k graded card has a damaged (tampered with?) case...the lower front right of the case is not supposed to look like that(IMO). My guess, based on the diamond cut and case damage, is that the card inside is not a card that was graded a 10. The seller certainly has a very nice selection of other graded high end cards...so, this maybe one is legit. However, you would for a $40k card that for $5 he would have the card (and the Yount card he is offering) reholdered.

[JollyElm]

Here's another one I ran across on ebay. It's listing to starboard and it gets a 10????? If nothing else, just look at the left/right centering at top. Awful.

williams10.jpg

[savedfrommyspokes]

If you view the card with the same serial number(and a slight diamond cut) that was sold as part of the Dmitri Young collection(which would explain the 10 on a slightly diamond cut card) auction, the barcode on that card is different than the card on ebay.....explains the damage to the case. There is also a print spot on Dmitri's old card in the "B" in Bill that is not present on the card on ebay. On top of that, the diamond cut is opposite on the ebay card.
http://catalog.scpauctions.com/lot-19203.aspx

[corey dean]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

If you view the card with the same serial number(and a slight diamond cut) that was sold as part of the Dmitri Young collection(which would explain the 10 on a slightly diamond cut card) auction, the barcode on that card is different than the card on ebay.....explains the damage to the case. There is also a print spot on Dmitri's old card in the "B" in Bill that is not present on the card on ebay. On top of that, the diamond cut is opposite on the ebay card.
http://catalog.scpauctions.com/lot-19203.aspx

While there are lots of good people in this hobby and I believe most in the hobby are good, it is still a cesspool. Is there any other hobby that is as corrupt? Sports memorabilia perhaps?

I am new to the board and spent some time reading back through pages and pages of old threads. One thing I picked up was the number of posts about PSA cases being tampered with. I don't trust anything in a PSA case....not that I don't trust PSA....just anything in their cases. I understand they have come up with a more tamper proof case?

Then I look at Beckett cases and in my mind, they seem totally tamper proof. I couldn't imagine someone opening one of them and resealing it without it being completely noticeable. Makes me wonder why PSA's carry a premium and why it took them so long to reconfigure their cases. Seems like they have known about this problem for a while. You would think they would have wanted to protect their name sooner with these newer cases.

[glynparson]

It seems to be waaay more tamper proof it even fits together like the bgs slabs. I am guessing it took so long because like so many publicly traded companes they were only looking at the short time costs/profits of changing the case and not the long term. The problem has grown to a proportion where they were almost forced into this.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

If you view the card with the same serial number(and a slight diamond cut) that was sold as part of the Dmitri Young collection(which would explain the 10 on a slightly diamond cut card) auction, the barcode on that card is different than the card on ebay.....explains the damage to the case. There is also a print spot on Dmitri's old card in the "B" in Bill that is not present on the card on ebay. On top of that, the diamond cut is opposite on the ebay card.
http://catalog.scpauctions.com/lot-19203.aspx

I've read your post a few times trying to understand what you're saying, but I guess I'm missing it. Why are you comparing the Dmitri Young Seaver to the Seaver that is the topic of this thread? You say they have the same serial number, but the serial numbers are different. They're 2 different cards. I don't follow.

Seaver that is the topic of this thread...



Dimitri Young Seaver...

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I've read your post a few times trying to understand what you're saying, but I guess I'm missing it. Why are you comparing the Dmitri Young Seaver to the Seaver that is the topic of this thread? You say they have the same serial number, but the serial numbers are different. They're 2 different cards. I don't follow.

Seaver that is the topic of this thread...



Dimitri Young Seaver...

You are right...being dyslexic has it disadvantages and I transposed some of the the 9s, 7s and 4s in the serial number and reading the serial numbers side ways did not help the dyslexia.

Since the thread was about how this Seaver (ebay) card was graded a 10 with a diamond cut and less than perfect centering, I am still of the opinion from my original post in this thread, that due to both frosting on the case and the tilt cut that the card in this holder was not graded by PSA as 10(even though Dmirti's Seaver RC was graded a 10 with a slight tilt).

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by glynparson

But that is not a Psa 10 s definition.

Glyn...I get that...but diamond cut isn't in the definition either. Why would anyone pay such a large premium?