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Old 07-26-2013, 09:19 AM
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Default Tampered PSA case or not? Need opinions

This card was recently purchased from a fellow board member. I received it today and have some concerns that the PSA case may have been tampered with. This concern is largely based on discussions I've read, and participated in, on this forum.

There are two distinctive spots of frosting about 1/4 of the way up and about halfway up on the right side of the case. Along with the frosting, there appears to be a bend in the plastic where the frosting appears mid way up the holder. Please give me your opinions good or bad so that the previous owner and I can reach some sort of consensus based on our collective experience. Thanks in advance!
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:30 AM
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Can you take a picture with the card on a black backing? Basically put a black piece of paper behind the card so all corners are viewable...Frosting can occur based on travel thru postage system.
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:35 AM
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I don't see any issues, that 'frosting' happens sometimes when it is sealed because of the materials they use. If it were cracked, it would be pretty white.

Very nice looking card
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:49 AM
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I don't see any issues, that 'frosting' happens sometimes when it is sealed because of the materials they use. If it were cracked, it would be pretty white.

Very nice looking card
I agree...it would fit perfectly in a PSA 6 holder. The borders are snow white, three sharp corners (one EX+) and the colors are so much better than the raw copy I have. Looks like it was just pulled, which is probably only adding to my paranoia

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Old 07-26-2013, 09:50 AM
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PSA 5 means wrinkle or hairline crease...a majority of the time.
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Old 07-26-2013, 10:07 AM
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PSA 5 means wrinkle or hairline crease...a majority of the time.
I can't find a crease or wrinkle...there is a small print defect (at least I assume it is since it was not given a qualifier)in the right border.

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Old 07-26-2013, 11:05 AM
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That's a nice card! I can't see someone putting that in a PSA 5 holder if they were looking to "improve" its grade unless the card was a fake. I believe it is ok.
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:44 AM
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Can you take a picture with the card on a black backing? Basically put a black piece of paper behind the card so all corners are viewable...Frosting can occur based on travel thru postage system.
Here's some additional pictures.
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:46 AM
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Thanks for everyone's input so far...I think maybe this board has made me paranoid!
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:48 AM
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Im still suspect...look at the "pins" two round circles below the flip(red and white label)..Do they look white(should be clear)..if so they have been pryed open ...Also notice the windows...clear spots about 1 inch from bottom of case on either side..They should be clear and no frosting...Ultimate answer is to pull on sides and see if the case pops open...do this by hand and don't use any tools.

Also the left border looks really frosted and cracked.

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Old 07-26-2013, 09:50 AM
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Never mind the frosting - that's a nice looking card!
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Old 07-26-2013, 10:04 AM
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Im still suspect...look at the "pins" two round circles below the flip(red and white label)..Do they look white(should be clear)..if so they have been pryed open ...Also notice the windows...clear spots about 1 inch from bottom of case on either side..They should be clear and no frosting...Ultimate answer is to pull on sides and see if the case pops open...do this by hand and don't use any tools.

Also the left border looks really frosted and cracked.
Here's a couple more pics. There's actually four "pins" under the label, three are clear...the fourth one has a small crack leading to it (which can be seen in the first pic) on the underside of the case. I tried pulling it apart, but admittedly not very hard as I really don't want to open it!
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:38 AM
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I have seen spotted frosting like that on many cases that were fine. I think it's just a less-than-perfect seal at the factory. Where you need to be concerned is where there continuous frosting over a large part of the slab's border.
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