Misrepresentation

[Edwolf1963]

Last month, I bid and won a couple of 1914 CJ's from this seller (link below) on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/110996395625...84.m1497.l2649

..or so I thought, this one turned out to be a 1915 - which I didn't notice until a month later when I cracked it out. I hate PSA qualifiers - more useless than the BCCG program IMO, I was going to resubmit to SGC. Part of me was mad at myself as I should have looked at the scan more closely. Also mad for cracking it out, I don't collect 1915's. I didn't think it was that big of a deal until I checked the VCP and found the difference was over $100. Basically I paid $155 for a card that's hovering around a $50 value.

I thought I'd at least write to the seller and advise, may have been a typo - although noted as "1914" in a couple places. I made note that I had cracked it out and why, not looking for full refund.

No response.

I wrote again, still taking the high road in assuming it was a typo, appealing to sense of fairness, asked if we could resolve something mutually acceptable? Suggesting difference in price between 1914 PSA2 and 1915 PSA2 (no MK noted in VCP), or perhaps I send back, pay for a regrade and assume full responsibility if it doesn't get at least the 2MK back.

No response.

I filed a case w/eBay, he escalated it to eBay to resolve - came down to me cracking it out, so I am S.O.L. At no point responding to me in any way.

I get it that I cracked it out and share some "blame" here, but what eats at me is that he misrepresented the card, pulls $100 more than it should of, doesn't respond to anything and eBay backs him!

If it were me on the other side and it was a typo on my part that inadvertently drove a much higher price, I would have tripped all over myself apologizing and seeing what I could do with the buyer to resolve. Wouldn't you - if you made an honest mistake??

The ignoring, hoping it will go away, not responding at all other than to escalate within eBay and then eBay playing CYA made me feel this was done with intent to deceive and hope to gain.

Respectful of opinions here. Mine is just to vent

[novakjr]

Was the scan there when you bid? Regardless of what the listing says, the slab does say 1915.. I'm honestly not trying to be a d!ck.

[Edwolf1963]

No worries David, not being a dick .. it was there, my bad .. that's what made me more mad at myself. And Daryl, yes, easy to see picture/slab that it's a 1915 - I just focused on the title in the auction (via sorting on eBay) and the pic of the card itself. When I received, it came with another 1914 (this one was a 1914), I glanced, put them in a bin to hold them and didn't think anything of it.

[4815162342]

That's a tough situation Ed. If only you would have noticed it prior to cracking the card out...

[Edwolf1963]

You're right, Daryl - that one I was kicking myself on. And part of me thought not even to write, just let it go - my bad in not noticing, caveat emptor, etc. I guess I sort of got in the "me" mode a bit and thought I'd at least let the Seller know. Perhaps he'd come back and apologize, not intended, maybe talk about trade back, something workable? Thinking if it were me, honestly, that's what I'd do - especially if I made a f-up in the listing. The ignoring, no replies started eating away at me - just felt like "too bad, you bought it, I made out - you're stuck with it" sort of thing.

Again, I do appreciate and respect opinions here. Too easy to fall into the how it made me feel, look at it from my perspective thing. That's why I posted here.

Thanks for your feedback!

[honus94566]

Have 45 days passed since you paid? If not, there is still time to file a paypal dispute on the transaction. IMO the seller should accept a refund of the card.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

this one turned out to be a 1915 - which I didn't notice until a month later when I cracked it out.

A month later? I noticed the 1915 slab the second I opened the eBay link.

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

Last month, I bid and won a couple of 1914 CJ's from this seller (link below) on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/110996395625...84.m1497.l2649

..or so I thought, this one turned out to be a 1915 - which I didn't notice until a month later when I cracked it out. I hate PSA qualifiers - more useless than the BCCG program IMO, I was going to resubmit to SGC. Part of me was mad at myself as I should have looked at the scan more closely. Also mad for cracking it out, I don't collect 1915's. I didn't think it was that big of a deal until I checked the VCP and found the difference was over $100. Basically I paid $155 for a card that's hovering around a $50 value.

I thought I'd at least write to the seller and advise, may have been a typo - although noted as "1914" in a couple places. I made note that I had cracked it out and why, not looking for full refund.

No response.

I wrote again, still taking the high road in assuming it was a typo, appealing to sense of fairness, asked if we could resolve something mutually acceptable? Suggesting difference in price between 1914 PSA2 and 1915 PSA2 (no MK noted in VCP), or perhaps I send back, pay for a regrade and assume full responsibility if it doesn't get at least the 2MK back.

No response.

I filed a case w/eBay, he escalated it to eBay to resolve - came down to me cracking it out, so I am S.O.L. At no point responding to me in any way.

I get it that I cracked it out and share some "blame" here, but what eats at me is that he misrepresented the card, pulls $100 more than it should of, doesn't respond to anything and eBay backs him!

If it were me on the other side and it was a typo on my part that inadvertently drove a much higher price, I would have tripped all over myself apologizing and seeing what I could do with the buyer to resolve. Wouldn't you - if you made an honest mistake??

The ignoring, hoping it will go away, not responding at all other than to escalate within eBay and then eBay playing CYA made me feel this was done with intent to deceive and hope to gain.

Respectful of opinions here. Mine is just to vent

I do this often as I do not have a lot of time to treasure hunt and I wind up making mistakes like this while buying. Don't beat yourself up too much, you just have to eat it and move on. If you didn't bust it then maybe as a seller I would have accepted it back after a month but popped out, I don't think you can expect to return it. Dan.

[glynparson]

Completed auctions show he did have 3 legitimate 1914 CJs listed seems like an honest mistake. How could you not notice before cracking it out? I think you need to just chalk it up to a mistake by the seller and then a mistake by you, accept some responsibility for your actions and move on. Also he has no back scans of any cards so it seems like a major stretch to suggest he was being shady. Not everyone that sells cards has the knowledge of some of us on this board.

[Leon]

I had the exact same type thing happen a few months ago. I bought a card listed as a V351 (I think). I got it and there was a tear in it. I put a tiny piece of archival tape on the otherwise blank back (not an expensive card to start with). Then when I was cataloging it I found it was different dimensions. It was a different type card with the same pose and had been described and listed incorrectly on ebay. I asked the seller about a refund and they said since I put a tiny piece of tape (archival, not that it mattered to them) on the blank back they couldn't help me. I just chalked it up...but thought it was kind of crappy of the seller. They did have it listed incorrectly and the tiny piece of tape helped the card stay together. But I took responsibility and moved on.

[Publius]

If an auction title says PSA 8, and the scan shows a PSA 8 OC and I buy it, who's to blame?

It's cracked out now so you own it man, chalk p the $100 as a cheap lesson.

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Completed auctions show he did have 3 legitimate 1914 CJs listed seems like an honest mistake. How could you not notice before cracking it out? I think you need to just chalk it up to a mistake by the seller and then a mistake by you, accept some responsibility for your actions and move on. Also he has no back scans of any cards so it seems like a major stretch to suggest he was being shady. Not everyone that sells cards has the knowledge of some of us on this board.

Actually, looking at his feedback, he sold 4 "1914" PSA Cracker Jacks. Two were 1914 and two were 1915 (the other was Louis Evans for $156.38), so Ed, you weren't the only one who got fooled by the year.

[Prof_Plum]

delete

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

If it were me on the other side and it was a typo on my part that inadvertently drove a much higher price, I would have tripped all over myself apologizing and seeing what I could do with the buyer to resolve.

Ed,

I truly believe that you would.

I know we do not leave "feedback" on Net54; however, want to take this opportunity to say that the transactions you and I have conducted through the B/S/T have been overwhelmingly positive experiences. I find you to be a great seller and a stand-up guy.

Sorry to hear that you had a suboptimal experience with a seller that did not communicate as well as he/she could have.

Best Regards,

Eric

[glynparson]

He sold 5 cracker jacks not 4, 2 mislabeled,again it seems to be a mistake most people do not have our knowledge of cards wether they should or not. I feel the buyer made as much of an error as the seller and should accept his error and move on. I refuse to lay blame solely on the seller for a mistake while giving the buyer a pass and like some others have said had you just looked at the scan and not just bought the holder the problem would have been avoided.