T215 Pirate Harry Lord Boston/Chicago?

[Abravefan11]

We had the pleasure of previewing the upcoming offering of five T215 Pirate cards in the upcoming spring REA auction. One of the five cards is really intriguing and I wanted to get the thoughts of others.

As most people know the T215 Red Cross and Pirate cards were created from existing T206 artwork. Both of these sets updated some subjects to reflect new team designations from the time of their T206 selection.

Harry Lord was selected to be in the T206 set in early 1909, when he played for the Boston Red Sox, and his team designation and artwork reflect this. On Aug. 9, 1910, Lord was traded by the Red Sox to the Chicago White Sox. When his card was printed with the T215-1 Red Cross set his team designation was updated to Chicago Amer.

This brings us to the T215 Pirate to be auctioned by REA. His team designation is a bold Boston Amer., but a faint Chicago Amer. can be seen on the card. So if they were simply reusing the T206 image, why would a Chicago Amer. be visible? If they updated his image for the T215-1, why would they revert back to Boston Amer.?

I find this card really fascinating and would love to hear others thoughts on this anomaly.

[ullmandds]

wow...that's really interesting...and awesome to see 5 t215 pirate's hit the block...they won't go cheap!!!!!! All authentic...odd...how some appear handcut...the hoard that sold were very high grade...that one example with 2 backs perfectly split in middle...some odd characteristics for such a rare set.

[RCMcKenzie]

I don't recall seeing an overprint team designation like the one on the Lord card before. Very interesting. I've never thought the Red Cross and Pirate sets were parallel sets, but there are so few Pirate cards that show up that I don't really know much about them.

[atx840]

Drooooool.

Very cool Tim.

[buymycards]

I noticed that the back of the Pirate is different than the non sports version of a Pirate card on ebay. (I stole the scan) I have always wondered about the relationship between the Pirates and the Red Cross cards. The T215's are considered a Louisiana issue (I don't agree) and the Pirates are considered an English issue. SGC grades the non sports Pirates as 1910's anonymous issue.
Lot's of confusion and guesswork with these issues.

Tim, thank you for showing us this card. I may have to start cashing in my aluminum cans and my penny jar so I can make a run at one of these.

Rick

[cfc1909]

Rick there are several different backs for the non sport pirate

[buymycards]

Thanks Jim, I didn't realize that. I have been looking at Murrays Cigarette book I see that several Pirate NS sets were issued between 1910 and all the way up through 1928. Thanks for the info. I am intrigued by these sets and it is tough to find much info.

Rick

[cfc1909]

here are 3 different Pirate backs, non sport. There is also a blue non sport back.

[atx840]

NOT MY CARD

Hopefully it's okay that I post this.