Honus Wagner Cabinet Card 1911

[joeadcock]

Got this at auction last year. It is known photo of Wagner mounted. Question is, do most agree this is a Cabinet Card? Was not advertised as such in the auction.
Auction stated 1911 Honus Wagner Type 1 original photo by Bain mounted.

Per definition of Cabinet Cards, a photo print mounted on a cardboard mount. The black color and the embossed design on the mount dating it to the early 1900's. Then this should be a cabinet card of Wagner. Cycleback opinion?

Lower right states Martin's Studio, Valleyfield, Quebec.

Anyone seen it before? Or does anyone own a similar one?

[barrysloate]

It would fit my definition of a cabinet card, except for the fact that I don't think that's its original mount. How would Wagner have taken that photo in Quebec?

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

It would fit my definition of a cabinet card, except for the fact that I don't think that's its original mount. How would Wagner have taken that photo in Quebec?

Perhaps the photographer from Quebec traveled to take the photo of Wagner wherever he was at the time, but then it could not be by Bain unless he worked at Martin Studios

[terjung]

I remember that auction well. I'm not sure how they could say it was a Type 1 given that it was mounted to a different studio's mount (i.e. not Bain). So, they couldn't see the back for specific markings, etc. Granted, "Type 1" and the like is just PSA vernacular, but still, it begged the question at least in my mind. To answer your question, I'd consider it a cabinet, but I think my connotation of that word is a photographic image mounted to a mat. I'm sure the denotation is quite different. Regardless of its catagory, it is a great image of the Flying Dutchman. Congrats!

[drc]

If it falls within the accepted size range for cabinet cards, it's a cabinet card.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by drc

If it falls within the accepted size range for cabinet cards, it's a cabinet card.

So, basically, you can glue a photograph to any cabinet card you find on ebay and it's technically a cabinet card. You can even glue the photo right over the existing one. Hopefully no one's doing this.

[Hankphenom]

Seems to me for it to be a "card," more than one would have to have been produced (and sold?), and perhaps within a larger series. Otherwise, it's a mounted photo, which has its own desirability quotient if done at the time, but not a "card."

[drc]

A cabinet card is defined strictly by its physical nature-- a photographic print on a sheet of cardboard of a certain dimension. It's not defined by how or when it's made or how it is distributed. I answered the question correctly.

I think you wanted me to answer questions that perhaps weren't asked. I stuck to the one asked, whether or not it is a cabinet card.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Seems to me for it to be a "card," more than one would have to have been produced (and sold?), and perhaps within a larger series. Otherwise, it's a mounted photo, which has its own desirability quotient if done at the time, but not a "card."

it's definitely a cabinet card (as david stated), what you're describing Hank sounds more like a debate for whether or not it's a baseball card.

[atx840]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

The two photos appear to be two different prints.

+1

[Runscott]

They are two different prints. The mounted one was trimmed to fit the mount.

The mounted one looks really nice - maybe the guy who did it liked Pinkertons?

[ethicsprof]

congratulations!!!
the breadth and depth of your type collection is growing by leaps and bounds.
all the best, ole buddy


barry

[atx840]

Originally Posted by Runscott

By the way, my opinions can be encapsulated along with a small slip, for a nominal fee. Each comes with a voucher for one free small cup of drip coffee.

How nominal are we talking Scott?

[drc]

Mind you, the coffee is served in Scott's condo and you have to drink it the bathroom.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by atx840

How nominal are we talking Scott?

gazillions, but I accept Monopoly money.

Originally Posted by drc

Mind you, the coffee is served in Scott's condo and you have to drink it the bathroom.

Not anymore - now I have dark brown carpet.

[joeadcock]

Brian

That is an interesting question. And I guess it would apply to many Cabinets out there.