PSA 8 Old Judge cards in Goodwin auction now?

[BCD]

anyone have a clue what they will bring? There are two in there and some horizontals.I know there are big collectors who know everything about these but has anyone sold an 8 or horizontal 7 on this forum? Where can I locate the "master" list to view and compare what I have to what is actually known to be out there? Thanks

[wonkaticket]

Not sure what the ones Goodwin has for sale will sell for. I bought my example from Goodwin last year or so...it was under 5k. Have no idea if those poses are tough etc. I'm not an OJ collector. Perhaps somebody like Jay will chime in...

[freakhappy]

I've never seen an Old Judge that looked that good before...that's a beauty!

Good thing it didn't take ballplayers too long to learn how to pose...that's brutal

[RCMcKenzie]

The OJ book is on amazon..

http://www.amazon.com/Photographic-B...&qid=135745191

Lots of good stuff in Goodwin auction. Good Luck, all.

[cyseymour]

A few advanced collectors have gone on a crusade against high-grade OJ's, and basically say as many derogatory things about them as possible, which has scared away the average collector. As a result, high-grade OJ's can be had very cheaply considering the scarcity and age of the card, in contrast to high grade cards from T and E sets.

I believe high-grade OJ's to be some of the nicest cards out there. But most OJ collectors willingly pay a high premium for cards with back damage, creases and tobacco stains as a form of reverse snobbery to show that they don't care about condition. As for the advanced collectors, they don't want people putting money into high-grade OJ's since they don't own them themselves.

So these beautiful high-grade OJ's just sit dead on the market, an SGC 84 with a great image can be had for under a thousand bucks. Meanwhile, total trash like an SGC 40 Brown Hindu will reach a higher price. All to avoid the shame of being a high-grade OJ collector. It doesn't make any sense to me, but that's just how our hobby is - a lot of the best stuff can be found inexpensively.

[barrysloate]

What's the knock against high grade OJ's? Why are they being trashed?

[BCD]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

The OJ book is on amazon..

http://www.amazon.com/Photographic-B...&qid=135745191

Lots of good stuff in Goodwin auction. Good Luck, all.

Thanks for posting this link!

[conor912]

Why the hell is he lying down and splayed out like some old west floozie?

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by conor912

Why the hell is he lying down and splayed out like some old west floozie?

He's sliding... or taking a nap.

[oldjudge]

High grade Old Judges do not command the premium of high grade T206s because there is no registry set competition.

[HRBAKER]

I think Jay makes a good point. It would be interesting to see if there was whether people would pay large sums for high graded cards with a non or barely discernable image, bc they are out there.

I think the earlier point is valid as well, with Old Judge cards and the image quality not being taken into account vis-a-vis a number grade; most collectors don't consider the plastic grade to be meaningfully accurate. They are much more concerned with image quality by and large than whether you can cut cheese with the corners and if the back is clean.

[smtjoy]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

High grade Old Judges do not command the premium of high grade T206s because there is no registry set competition.

I agree with Jay and add in many collector would rather have a 1-3 (back damage) that has an 8 image for 10-20% of the cost of that graded 8 (I know I do). Also comparing a blank backed card to one where the back really matters like T206 is not even comparing apples to apples. Exhibits pricing can do the same thing when the front is NM and the back has damage, they bring strong prices compared to very rough cards in the same grade.

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

High grade Old Judges do not command the premium of high grade T206s because there is no registry set competition.

Agreed. But maybe there will a registry competition in the future for OJ's, who knows? I would rather own high grade cards of sets that the competition does not yet exist because they are far less expensive.

Of course, I realize that the fact that so many faded OJ's were already given high grades is an obstacle for set registry collectors. But maybe someday there will be a way of re-grading them?

Also, I think that (not faded) high-grade 19th Century cards are major condition rarities, just because they are so old. A high-grade OJ is far more rare than a high-grade T206, for instance.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

He's sliding... or taking a nap.

Sliding into what? Something more comfortable?