T206 Old Mill Backs

[wazoo]

Hey everyone! I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Well, this year I was lucky enough to add some more t206s to my collection. While looking through the backs, and then the SGC Pop Report (Not the most accurate reference), I was wondering how much Old Mill backs add to a Hall of Famer? Or a tough common? I usually don't hear much talk about Old Mills and that is why I thought it would be an interesting topic to discuss. By looking through the pop report, there were very few examples per card.

The Old Mill examples which I happen to own:

• Fred Merkle (Throwing) SGC 60 (7 known in SGC pop report. Mine is the highest Old Mill SGC example.)
• Sam Crawford (Bat on) SGC 40 (6 known in SGC pop report)
• Addie Joss (Hands at Chest) PSA 4 (7 known in SGC pop report. Contradicting because I'm using the SGC report for a PSA card).

I do realize that the SGC pop report is very limited, and does not display all the data within the hobby. Regardless, I still feel that the SGC pop report displays the scarcity of the cards. So, I guess my overall questions are, do these cards have any additional value because of the Old Mill backs? Are these Hall of Famers harder to find with such back? Where, based on opinion, does Old Mill black stand on the scarcity list? (I use the one from t206.org, but I'm sure people have different opinions.) Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Best regards,
Wazoo

[E93]

Just my unscientific opinion, but I think of Old Mill (along with Polar Bear and Sovereign) as one step tougher than Sweet Cap or Piedmont, but still not too hard to find. They may get a very slight premium or just sell a little quicker, but not a huge premium. All things are relative though and I would much prefer an OM to P or SC. I would pay a 10% premium.
JimB

[wazoo]

What a beauty! Thanks for the info. I would have to agree with that. With that being said, I feel that the price has gone up for Old Mills on Ebay especially. Not a crazy price spike, but still a noticeable one.

[sreader3]

Waz,

OM commons commanded an 80% premium over Piedmont 350 as of May 2012 according to my market study which looked at sales from major auctions from 2008-2012. This was a substantially higher premium than a few years earlier.

http://www.t206resource.com/Article-...ltipliers.html

I would guess the premium for HOFers and tougher commons was about half of that, or 40%, as of that time.

Scot

[sdkammeyer]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Waz,

OM commons commanded an 80% premium over Piedmont 350 as of May 2012 according to my market study which looked at sales from major auctions from 2008-2012. This was a substantially higher premium than a few years earlier.

http://www.t206resource.com/Article-...ltipliers.html

I would guess the premium for HOFers and tougher commons was about half of that, or 40%, as of that time.

Scot

Thanks for linking me yesterday Scot. I read most of it last night and finished digesting it all this morning. Good Stuff.

[sreader3]

Thanks for the hat tip Steve. Best luck with your T206 pursuits in 2013.

Scot

[sreader3]

Hi Mike,

You are on to something. Broken-down by subject group, OMs accounted for the following percentages of total backs in my 2003-2006 survey:

150/350 = 1.2
350-only = 1.7
350/460 RP = 4.2
460-only = 2.8

Scot

[E93]

Scot,
Great research and article! Thank you.
JimB

[Brian Weisner]

Nice work guys.... My numbers have always indicated the same... In fact for many years people believed that certain tough 150 cards were printed with OM backs, but they never showed up.... I looked for Lundgren and Evers Blue sky for 15 years before becoming convinced....Keep up the research....
Be well Brian

Ps Tim's print groups made since of what I was seeing...

PS hi Scot, nice to see you around....hope you are well...

[wazoo]

I'm not too familiar with print groups for backs such as Old Mill. Where can I find this information?

[E93]

Originally Posted by wazoo

I'm not too familiar with print groups for backs such as Old Mill. Where can I find this information?

T206resource.com

JimB

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by wazoo

I'm not too familiar with print groups for backs such as Old Mill. Where can I find this information?

Here's a link to the article on Print Group 1. From here you'll be able to easily continue on to articles on the other five print groups.