JSA exemplars

[mcgwirecom]

Where do you suppose you get exemplars from the 1954-55 Venezuelan Baseball Team? You mean every one of those signatures is authentic? How do you know?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/24-Autos-Ven...item5aea8a8663

[travrosty]

exactly, they do that all the time, these 100 autographs of the bangladeshi para-olympic team are authentic. they just pass the piece and wont talk about how they do it. i would llke to see these exemplars too.

[travrosty]

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[mcgwirecom]

Just once step back and say, "we aren't familiar with those autographs". Or maybe throw in a " we feel the Pasquale Rodriduez is a non-malicious clubhouse signature..." makes it look like you actually know what you're doing.

[prewarsports]

A bunch of those guys played in the Majors and a bunch of the others are pretty well known players from the era whose signatures exist. I bet 2/3 or more they have familiarity with. I think if they can pass those and combine it with the vintage ink, vintage ball etc, they will usually pass an item like this. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but far from a shot in the dark with item like this one. I mean I either have or have had signatures of most of those guys in the past and would have no problems buying it if I needed it. I also do not belive that you have the problem of "clubhouse" signatures on pieces like this as these guys were not hounded for their signatures like Major Leaguers in the states.

Just my thoughts.

Rhys

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

A bunch of those guys played in the Majors and a bunch of the others are pretty well known players from the era whose signatures exist. I bet 2/3 or more they have familiarity with. I think if they can pass those and combine it with the vintage ink, vintage ball etc, they will usually pass an item like this. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but far from a shot in the dark with item like this one. I mean I either have or have had signatures of most of those guys in the past and would have no problems buying it if I needed it. I also do not belive that you have the problem of "clubhouse" signatures on pieces like this as these guys were not hounded for their signatures like Major Leaguers in the states.

Just my thoughts.

Rhys

it is wrong and i do have a problem with it, because if there is even 1 autograph they are not familiar with, they cant pass the items with all the signatures as genuine, just list the ones they dont know and leave it at that.

but they authenticate the WHOLE ball with all the signatures. that is wrong.

the loa states that the signatures resemble other exemplars they have seen. if they dont have exemplars for all the autographs, then how can that statement be the truth?

they need to tell the truth on their loa's.



we have seen this before when psa passes a winter olympic item with dozens of autographs, many who are para-olympic athletes, now that is some deep exemplar files if they have para olympic athletes in their database.

jsa also passed a piece with over 100 negro league signatures, many of them obscure, but the whole piece got passed as genuine. no matter how good the provenance is, you cant do that. if you want to pass it on provenance, then print up an loa that says you are passing it on provenance, and not exemplars. if they passed it based on exemplars, then comparing over 100 autographs on one piece exemplar by exemplar would have taken so long and been so exhaustively expensive how could they make money authenticating it unless they charged so much that it wouldnt be worth doing because the seller would make any money after paying a hefty authentication fee?

jsa can just come on here and answer like always, but they don't and won't.

[daves_resale_shop]

All though it is unlikely, how can you be certain that James Spence does not have exemplars of all of these signatures???

And if so why should he (or any other authenticator) expose his record of exemplars to anyone???

After all it is the proprietary information that is the life blood of his business...

[isaac2004]

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