STAMP of approval for jsa, psa? what's going on?

[travrosty]

Stamp of approval for jsa and psa? why do they keep doing this? Is this a stamp, what else could it be?

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/A...cott&offset=10

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROCKY-MARCIA...#ht_500wt_1054

How can 2 photos, one creased and worn with rounded corners, and one in perfect shape with square corners, be offered as "genuine" with the exact same signature and the exact same inscription?

one "signed" photo went through american memorabilia with a psa auction loa, as described by them, and is very worn, and the other is on ebay with sharp corners, in perfect shape, with a jsa loa?

the ebay seller is adamant that his photo is not a restored photo, does not have built up corners and is in great condition. So two different photos with the same signature and inscription, "authenticted" by psa and jsa. Great job guys!

what is going on? at least one of them has to be a copy and of course it is possible they both are?

Why can't they figure it out by now? Who made the mistake, psa, jsa or both?

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Stamp of approval for jsa and psa? why do they keep doing this? Is this a stamp, what else could it be?

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/A...cott&offset=10

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROCKY-MARCIA...#ht_500wt_1054

How can 2 photos, one creased and worn with rounded corners, and one in perfect shape with square corners, be offered as "genuine" with the exact same signature and the exact same inscription?

one "signed" photo went through american memorabilia with a psa auction loa, as described by them, and is very worn, and the other is on ebay with sharp corners, in perfect shape, with a jsa loa?

the ebay seller is adamant that his photo is not a restored photo, does not have built up corners and is in great condition. So two different photos with the same signature and inscription, "authenticted" by psa and jsa. Great job guys!

what is going on? at least one of them has to be a copy and of course it is possible they both are?

Why can't they figure it out by now? Who made the mistake, psa, jsa or both?

I could see one being a reproduction of the other, but find it doubtful that anyone would have made a stamp for the inscription (unless Marciano got a heck of a lot of autograph request from guys named Sam )

[D. Bergin]

Travis,

I have no opinion on the signature, but they appear to be the exact same piece to me.

Only difference is the scanning/picture taking process. The cleaner one looks like it was scanned in a flatbed scanner and a bit of care was taken in it's presentation.

The other looks as if a cheaper digital camera took the picture, while the photo was curled up, throwing off glares and artifacts from the flash, and appearing to give the photo a different color tone then the other.

Placement is exact on the signatures, as are various defects in the photo. The digital flash just appears to give the ink in the signature a thicker hue.

[Fuddjcal]

with all these mistakes being made in regards to letting copies of originals into their database, If these "experts" can't tell the difference, how the hell am I supposed to see it? I usuall ylook at the signature with a 10X magnifier with a light on it and I can't tell the difference between an original and a copy... what are some tell-tale signs that you have a copy, other than the obvious (8 1/2 X 11) is a excellent sign that it's a copy, I can't tell what I'm even looking for.

Obviously, neither can these bozo's

[JimStinson]

Look for "stress marks" on the photo these are easily seen under magnification, and especially on the reverse , look at pen pressure. and then look at the areas where ink intersects , it will be obvious under magnification. Where the ink crosses will be darker.

[RichardSimon]

Good catch Travis, nice work.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Look for "stress marks" on the photo these are easily seen under magnification, and especially on the reverse , look at pen pressure. and then look at the areas where ink intersects , it will be obvious under magnification. Where the ink crosses will be darker.

Thanks Jim, I'll give it a try next time I break out the photos...