Roger Clemens Not Guilty on All Counts

[barrysloate]

Prosecution did not prove its case.

Thoughts?

[Ladder7]

We'll get him, in a Vegas hotel room.

[ullmandds]

A big waste of time...and taxpayer $$$$. I'm not surprised though with the outcome.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Ladder7

We'll get him, in a Vegas hotel room.

Post of the day!

[barrysloate]

Three thoughts:

1) Prosecution wasted a whole lot of time and money.

2) Defense team was the best money could buy.

3) Despite the verdict, he used PEDs.

[mark evans]

I think Jeffrey Toobin (CNN) probably right: Federal juries do not believe that abuse of steroids by professional athletes raises issues appropriate for the criminal justice system. Not overly concerned with lying to Congress either.

Smooth sailing to HOF now?

[barrysloate]

I always liked Clemens, and we have the same birthday (probably not factored in during the trial), but....you hate to see someone get away with cheating.

[HRBAKER]

He was found not guilty of perjury, right?
Not of cheating. I think that most assume he was a user due to his age defying feats of greatness.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

I followed the trial somewhat and I knew it was over when Andy Pettite said there was a 50% chance he misremembered that Clemens told him that he took PEDs. That was the prosecution's ace in the hole and they were pretty much doomed from that point on.

I read Michael O'Keeffe's American Icon: The Fall of Roger Clemens and the Rise of Steroids in America's Pastime and there's no doubt that Clemens was juicing. In that 400 page book there were just too many little details to prove otherwise.

Here's a good video to watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf-el...eature=related

[oldjudge]

None of us were there so we don't know if he cheated or not. The jury had all the facts and they said there was not adequate proof that he did so I have to yield to them. What I do know is that when Clemens was with the Yankees he was very generous with his time for numerous charitable organizations and very good with all the kids he interacted with.

All that said, this witch hunt for juicers is a waste of money at a time when money is short. Mandate that all congressional investigations be done without TV coverage and I think the d-ckheads in Washington may be forced to do some real work instead of just trying to maximize face time in front of their constituents.

And BTW, Clemens, Bonds and Arod should all be first ballot HOFers.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

None of us were there so we don't know if he cheated or not.

Right...that HGH really was for his wife. Either way, there were so many cheaters during the last 2.5 decades in baseball it's frivolous to try and determine who was and who wasn't a user...the whole era deserves an asterisk. The Hall of Fame is a joke and has been ever since the veterans started putting in their undeserving pals so I could care less who goes in and who doesn't.

[kmac32]

Wonder why we waste tax dollars on things like Clemons and Barry Bonds? Pretty sure they both used PEDs even if the didn't admit it. And why congress ever got involved is beyond me.

[brickyardkennedy]

The idea of politicians taking offense at someone lying to them, is laughable, considering their careers are built on lies and they are almost psychopathic in the ease with which they can bs the people and maintain a straight face.

Not to be construed as a defense of Clemens, however.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by mark evans

Smooth sailing to HOF now?

"Regardless of the verdict of juries...." ($1) to the estate of KM Landis. I surely hope not.

[Bicem]

He's a douche. Can we say douche?

[keithsky]

Funny how all the Balco guys and guys in the Mitchell Report accused of steroids not one guy went to jail. MLB steroid program is a joke.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by mark evans

Smooth sailing to HOF now?

Shoeless Joe was found not guilty also. It doesn't really matter what the court of law says. It is what is assumed by the voters that matters.

[packs]

29 players implicated in the BALCO / Mitchel Report findings have admitted that they used PEDs. It's not like investigators are just making this stuff up. Does that mean everyone used who was named? No. But it does show that everyone isn't telling the truth as many of these admissions came out months to years after the reports.

Pettitte did the right thing. He admitted his use. I find it hard to believe that he received his HGH from anyone but a contact of Clemens. When faced with putting a friend of mine behind jail, I don't know if I could do it either.

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by packs

Pettitte did the right thing. He admitted his use. I find it hard to believe that he received his HGH from anyone but a contact of Clemens. When faced with putting a friend of mine behind jail, I don't know if I could do it either.

I find this to be a very strange statement. Clemens was just acquitted from charges of dishonesty...essentially purjury. You are saying Pettitte "did the right thing" when you obviously believe he just lied under oath in Court...exactly what Clemens was charged with??? Odd.

Cheers,
Blair

[tiger8mush]

In 20-30 years, I think when one looks back on his career (and his d!ckheaded personality is forgotten about) he'll go down as as one of the greatest pitchers of the late 80s and 90s (the steroid era).

[jp1216]

Guilty in the public opinion will be enough. As great as he was, he will be grouped in the "Steroid Family". When his name first surfaced, I was hoping it wasn't true.... I just need to 'misremember' the past...

[tedzan]

During Roger's pitching years, I was never a fan of his. However, I met him and his family in Cooperstown (in a restaurant) on
HOF weekend 2 years ago; and, he was very friendly and cordial to us.

"Lying" to some of those lying jerks in Congress is a laugher....so, I am happy for him that the jury decided that he did not lie
to Congress.

This by no means suggest that I condone steroids usage. But, why was he singled out from a host of "users" ?


TED Z

[CMIZ5290]

What a joke....

[packs]

I can understand how he can be found not guilty. However, I don't understand how people can continue to say that he didn't cheat and that he's a HOFer. People often ask why the public is so upset that Clemens, Palmeiro, and Bonds cheated but don't care that the David Segui's of the world cheated. The answer is pretty obvious to me. Clemens and Bonds were already HOFers. What makes people so upset is that even with all the gifts and good fortune the world had to give them, they STILL cheated. That's what makes them worse than any marginal player just trying to make a living. That's what should keep them OUT of the HOF.

Let's hope they have their health in front of them. But will anyone be surprised if they don't?

[milkit1]

How can anyone with a head the size of a medicine ball have his health in front of him?

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