1869 vs 1870 Red Stocking CdVs

[GaryPassamonte]

I thought it was interesting that two of the Cincinnati Red Stocking CdVs in REA have different dates penciled on the reverse. The one with the Peck and Snyder ad has an "1869" written on the back, while the one with the team lineup on the reverse has "1870" written on the back. If these notations are period, this would confirm different printing and/or distribution dates for the Cincinnati CdVs, with only the ones with the P & S ad on the reverse being from 1869. Both of these CdVs were from the same find and dates penciled on the reverses of others from this find appear accurate. It's unfortunate that the Atlantics P & S card has no date notation on the reverse. That information would have been an important clue in dating the P & S series.

[Matt]

Would seem odd to me that someone at the time would write the year of issue on the back. I'd give that more credence if it was a different team photo and they wanted to denote what yea'rs Red Stockings team it was, but it's the same photo.

[WillowGrove]

I recently acquired a P&S trade card (as posted in may pick-ups, holy grail thread and plan on posting in any appropriate threads even tangentially-related to P&S since I am so excited about owning this card. )

- and my goal is to find out who took the photo, when and then how they were distributed.

Gary et al - correct me if I am wrong - but the definitive answers to those questions still remain. Right? I need to find a source that show the winning streak game by game. I also know the woodcut was in Harpers Weekly on 7/3/69 but need to confirm it is the same photo, etc.

Thanks for starting a new P&S thread.

happy collecting

peter

[GaryPassamonte]

Peter- Congratulations on acquiring the Cincinnati P & S card. There are many unanswered questions concerning the P & S issue. There are also many past threads about these questions. Do a P & S search on this site to find these threads.

[benjulmag]

In a previous thread the question of the distribution period of the Red Stockings P&S trade card was discussed. It is my view that distribution ran continuously from the 1869 season well into (and possibly through) the 1870 season. This assessment is based on the different advertising backs as well as different ink colors used. Assuming this assessment is correct, it wouldn't be surprising if the CdV too had 1869 and 1870 distributions.

[barrysloate]

Agree with Corey. I have to think these tarde cards were very popular, and would have been offered for several years. In the case of the 1868 Brooklyn Atlantics, there was likely only a single print run. But with a team like Cincinnati, there were probably several. The key is to figure out which one was first, something we haven't done yet.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by WillowGrove

I need to find a source that show the winning streak game by game. I also know the woodcut was in Harpers Weekly on 7/3/69 but need to confirm it is the same photo, etc.

Peter, many of these games are detailed in Preston Orem's book: "Baseball 1845-1881". If you don't have a copy, you should pick one up - very useful and fun read.

[triwak]

Originally Posted by WillowGrove

I also know the woodcut was in Harpers Weekly on 7/3/69 but need to confirm it is the same photo, etc.

Here's my Harper's Woodcut for comparison.

[WillowGrove]

Originally Posted by triwak

Here's my Harper's Woodcut for comparison.

Thanks for posting woodcut ken. So the wood cut is the same as the photo on the card. (most of you probably already knew that - I am late to the P&S party). But the attribute at the bottom of the woodcut - I assume that is the company who did the woodcut? I am sure there is a thread explaining how woodcuts were developed so I can learn more. But if that is printer/woodcut artist, then can we assume the photo was taken from the time the team congregated (other warm location? nah. Cinci is warm enough in April), so roughly, and I am making this up April 15 - July 3.

I would like to find more info on the dates Wright/ Ellard? signed these players officially and when they came to Cinici.

Sorry if I am half laying out specific info that we can build on and half excitedly typing. I'll get more focused.

Thanks RunScott for Orem's book. Will add to my library.

peter

[oldjudge]

Leon-Chadwick published his Base Ball Player's Book of Reference annually. The CdV advertises the 1869 edition on the back(it specifically mentions the 1869 edition). Why would it advertise the 1869 version if it was not from 1869? If it came out in 1870 it would advertise the 1870 edition.