M101-2 Wagner and Cobb/Wagner Supplements

[mdallen22]

BMW has two very nice examples of the M101-2 Sporting News Supplements of Wagner and Cobb/Wagner on eBay (Links below). What is a fair price to offer for both? They look like very strong examples and Brian is certain they would grade some of the highest grades every recorded. I wanted everyone's opinion on them. I want to make a fair offer but they are still raw and i don't want to pay prices of what they would be worth IF they got graded high, because who knows what the final grade would be. I'm not an expert on how Beckett would grades supplements. Looking for any feedback.

If it's unprofessional to discuss offer prices and who's selling pieces i apologize just want to hear form members of this forum.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390083477877...ht_2373wt_1346

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400068411117...ht_2374wt_1346


Thank you,
Mike

[Bicem]

Those are nice, does Beckett grade matter when it comes to these things? I know I'd much rather have them raw.

[mdallen22]

To me, the potential Beckett grade does not matter much, but his offer to me, I feel, is weighted too much on how well they would grade. I don't want to overpay especially for something i can physically hold in my hands and examine myself. So i was looking for opinions on the potential fair market value of these supplements in today's hobby.

-Mike

[drumback]

I have been collecting this set for a couple years now. In my opinion, they are worth, at most, about 60% of what he is asking. Of course, nice ones are hard to find, so you might have to wait awhile to find them at more reasonable prices. I would advise against grading. The holders Beckett uses are very large and thick. If you are working on a set, they will require a lot of space, and they will only fit in the largest size of safety deposit boxes, if that is an issue. Also, with the wrinkling described in the listing, best grade you are likely to get is a 3. I recommend put them in 8 x 10 toploaders, with a piece of light cardboard to stiffen the holder and protect the supplement. There is nothing on the back to see anyway.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by drumback

I have been collecting this set for a couple years now. In my opinion, they are worth, at most, about 60% of what he is asking. Of course, nice ones are hard to find, so you might have to wait awhile to find them at more reasonable prices. I would advise against grading.

I agree with everything that drumback said. I actually have mine stored in these albums http://www.misterart.com/display-pre...play-book.html instead of toploaders.

The incredibly overpriced items listed on ebay have been there for a very long time which illustrates how overpriced they are. Every collector of this issue has seen those listings over and over, and many of us have made (what we consider) better than fair offers, only to be turned down, illustrating that the seller is in no hurry to sell, and may not actually want to sell at all.

I have 96 of the 100 in the set (I also have 34 of the 62 in the m101-1 set), and the 4 that I need have been staring at me on ebay for as long as I can remember, with prices set at an amount that will make the (minimal) listing fees well worth paying if somebody gets drunk enough to hit the buy-it-now button after winning the lottery.

If you want to get a pretty good idea of what the market thinks is a fair price, put them on ebay with a $1 starting bid and set the reserve at the price of the (eternally) listed (always destined to be) unsold ones. The bidding will end somewhere in the middle, then you will know what they are "worth".

Take care,
Doug



PS - actual collectors of this issue tend to not care about the opinion of grading companies, the people who care about such opinions are the people who care only about the "value" of their items and think that paying for an opinion might get them more "value".

[doug.goodman]

I just realized that mdallen22 isn't trying to sell, but he is hoping to buy the ones listed on ebay.

Good luck Mike, but be aware that those aren't "really" for sale.

Doug