T206 - Doyle N.Y. Nat'l - info??

[taborton101]

Hey everyone - I'm hoping someone has a good book / reference on the Doyle N.Y. Nat'l, specifically, some history on how it came to be the card that it is today...ie, I know there are only a handful of them, but why has this card's variation taken on such a life of its own??...there are many other 'error' cards, or variations, where it was quickly caught and corrected during printing, on numerous T206's that I've seen over the years, and for which I only know of a handful or less of people who own or have seen that particular variation (e.g., names incorrectly spelled, missing team names, missing logos etc.)...yet these are viewed as commonplace and can be bought cheaply. Why is the 'Nat'l' so special??

Any info / refs. are appreciated.

[Abravefan11]

There are only two cards in the T206 set that were errors and corrected during production, Doyle N.Y. Nat'l and Magie.

Many other players names were misspelled and Ellam was given the wrong team designation, but none of them were corrected like the Doyle and Magie. The other things I believe you're referring to are print anomalies or quality control issues and not actual changes made to the card. The Doyle error was caught quickly resulting in a small number of these cards being distributed. Less than 10 are known and that makes it the scarcest of the 524 subjects in the set.

[taborton101]

Thanks...I guess what I'm looking for is a reference / documentation / book on when, how, etc. these 2 errors were caught, and why these are the 'important errors'?...for example, as you mention, the Ellam error and numerous name misspellings and other anomalies that can be seen with many players...why were these not 'corrected' in the same way that, for example, Magee's name was corrected?

[barrysloate]

An error has to be caught to be corrected.

There are other errors too, such as the spelling of "Myers" and "Meyers" This misspelling occurred among different poses and none of them were corrected. But Tim knows more than I do, he can explain.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

An error has to be caught to be corrected.

There are other errors too, such as the spelling of "Myers" and "Meyers" This misspelling occurred among different poses and none of them were corrected.

I think that's exactly right Barry, that they just didn't know about them, but at this point why they corrected a few and not the others is speculation. In addition to the Doyle and Magie errors there are 23 other cards with misspelled names. Why weren't these corrected during production? Five players on six of the 23 cards have other poses in the set with their names spelled correctly like the Myers and Meyers Barry referenced.

[ullmandds]

You won't find what you're looking for...only speculation!

[taborton101]

Thanks guys, that's my point, I'd love to learn more about how these 2 errors in particular became legends, and even if it's due to pure speculation which then spun into something much bigger, would be interested to read about the timeline, and details on how they go to their current status...the 'M(e)yer)' is another good example...and I've got a neat Marquard with red 'B' (looks like the old Boston logo), or maybe it's a red '8', right next to the NY logo - I know of at least 2 others with the same anomaly on the Marquard (ie, it's not a stamp or some other mark)...one of the things I love about this set are these little errors all over the place, and many that are very rare, yet...how did the Magie and Doyle Nat'l get to be worth thousands (or in Doyle's case, perhaps tens/hundreds of thousands)??

[Abravefan11]

Again those other things you mention like Marquard "B" are not changes made deliberately to the card.

The Marquard "B" was discussed and shown by several board members in a thread within the last year or so. It's an interesting mark (not a Boston B by the way) but not something added intentionally. Marquard "B" Thread

For a little more history on the Doyle error read this: Click Here

[zljones]

Originally Posted by taborton101

Hey everyone - I'm hoping someone has a good book / reference on the Doyle N.Y. Nat'l, specifically, some history on how it came to be the card that it is today...ie, I know there are only a handful of them, but why has this card's variation taken on such a life of its own??...there are many other 'error' cards, or variations, where it was quickly caught and corrected during printing, on numerous T206's that I've seen over the years, and for which I only know of a handful or less of people who own or have seen that particular variation (e.g., names incorrectly spelled, missing team names, missing logos etc.)...yet these are viewed as commonplace and can be bought cheaply. Why is the 'Nat'l' so special??

Any info / refs. are appreciated.

This card first came to the public eye in 1987 in the "Sports Card Collectors Digest." You may want to see is that periodical is at a local library, but here is a link I found on google from an old REA auction that talks alot about it, and it mentions that 1987 periodical. http://blog.robertedwardauctions.com/?p=109