OT: "Catching Hell" 30 for 30

[Vol]

Tonight is the debut broadcast of "Catching Hell", the 30 for 30 documentary on ESPN. I have been anxiously waiting to watch it. It is about the Steve Bartman incident. 8est/7central. I hope that they interview Bartman, as this would be the best time for him to tell his side of the story.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoumAUfwnI8

[chris6net]

He won,t be interviewed for the show according to a review I read. Since I am not a Cubs fan I haven,t really formed an opinion as to whether he should be a sympathetic figure or not. It should be a great show as ESPN usually does a nice job on these. CN

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by chris6net

He won,t be interviewed for the show according to a review I read. Since I am not a Cubs fan I haven,t really formed an opinion as to whether he should be a sympathetic figure or not. It should be a great show as ESPN usually does a nice job on these. CN

Of course he should be a sympathetic figure..he did what just about any fan in the world would do and he wasn't the only Cubs fan grabbing for that ball...He's been offered all kinds of stuff to become a fan of other teams and has declined. It's absolutely sickening the way he's been treated and it really made me start rooting against the Cubs..a team which I used to pull for regularly. Bartman didn't make Gonzalez commit an error..he didn't make Prior suck.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Of course he should be a sympathetic figure..he did what just about any fan in the world would do and he wasn't the only Cubs fan grabbing for that ball...He's been offered all kinds of stuff to become a fan of other teams and has declined. It's absolutely sickening the way he's been treated and it really made me start rooting against the Cubs..a team which I used to pull for regularly. Bartman didn't make Gonzalez commit an error..he didn't make Prior suck.

Agree, and he hasn't been around since 1908 (or whenever) for that matter either.

[whitehse]

He is nothing more than a scapegoat for a team that failed to deliver..nothing more...nothing less.

This poor guy is employed where I work and has even had reporters stalking him in our parking lot asking him for comments. They really need to leave this guy alone.

[ScottR81]

As lifelong Chicagoan and Cubs fan this will be bittersweet to watch, Cubs had plenty of chances to win that series after the bartman play.

But yes we are looking for any reason to blame some curse and not the owner/GM/coaches/players.

As we say around here, "next year is our year for sure."

[alanu]

Originally Posted by whitehse

He is nothing more than a scapegoat for a team that failed to deliver..nothing more...nothing less.

This poor guy is employed where I work and has even had reporters stalking him in our parking lot asking him for comments. They really need to leave this guy alone.

I'm sure he's really looking forward to this 30-30 episode to bring the incident to the cub fans eyes again, especially after another stellar season on their part.... and even worse, Zambrano was on my fantasy baseball team

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by whitehse

He is nothing more than a scapegoat for a team that failed to deliver..nothing more...nothing less.

This poor guy is employed where I work and has even had reporters stalking him in our parking lot asking him for comments. They really need to leave this guy alone.

Totally agree. 95% of the fans would have done the same thing. To blame it all on him is seriously messed up. Poor guy.

That being said, I'm not a cubs fan! Maybe if this happened to my beloved Yankees, I'd have a different point of view.

[cubsguy1969]

I'm a huge Cubs fan and will definitely try to watch this. I never "blamed" Bartman and I feel very sorry for him. It was just instinct, and as a previous poster said, lots of other people were reaching, too. That being said, I'm convinced that Alou would have caught that ball. He had it measured perfectly and it was definitely in reach. And after that, things just snowballed. (As they always seem to do with the Cubs.)

People say, well, these guys are professional athletes and they shouldn't believe in curses and all that. And that they should've just put the Bartman thing out of their head and moved on. To that I say, bull#@%. They're human. And when something goes wrong in such a pressure-packed situation, and with the Cubs history, I really think it starts getting in some of the players' heads. They start thinking, "Uh-oh. What's going to go wrong next?" Then they're distracted, and more bad stuff happens. And the snowball starts rolling.

Anyway, just a little rant from a miserable Cubs fan (I think that's redundant).

Cheers.
Rob

[Jcfowler6]

That poor guy. Anyone that blames him for anything needs to get a life.

[ChiefBenderForever]

He's no Bill Buckner but pretty close.

[alanu]

Has Bill Buckner been somewhat forgiven for his "sins" now that the Sox won a World Series.

[ChiefBenderForever]

Originally Posted by alanu

Has Bill Buckner been somewhat forgiven for his "sins" now that the Sox won a World Series.

I would hope so, but think the stubborn fans will never forgive him and the newer generation is over it as they don't remember and now could care less since the curse has been broken. Time seems to heal old wounds, and Buckner always had a great attitude about it even though it hurt him a lot. When his wife said a fan walked up all crazy eyed and said to him "why don't you just kill yourself" and was completely serious you realize how insane the world can be and what a target a scapegoat becomes, and the worst part is the stigma will never go away and that is all people remember. It is funny how many Turkey sandwiches are named "Billy Buckner" and many people still drop the ole 'Billy F-ng Buckner' bomb.....

[Robextend]

Originally Posted by alanu

Has Bill Buckner been somewhat forgiven for his "sins" now that the Sox won a World Series.

I don’t remember all the details, but after the Red Sox won the World Series in 2004 they brought Buckner back and introduced him to the crowd. He got one of the greatest ovations ever, and I think it brought him to tears. I would say he has been forgiven.

[Vol]

Originally Posted by alanu

Has Bill Buckner been somewhat forgiven for his "sins" now that the Sox won a World Series.

Did you have a chance to see him on Curb Your Enthusiasm a few weeks ago?
Was really good I thought.