41 Goudeys - What am I missing?

[steve B]

I'm pretty amazed at what a few of these brought.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1941-GOUDEY-...item588f7bab0e

$212.49 It's a common isn't it? Not a single print. And only vg-ex.
And that's not the only one. Of the nine he had listed 5 of them went for over $170 and one was 280.

Pretty strong prices, The other 4 were all under 100 and 3 under 50. 40-50 seems a bit more normal.

So what have I missed? two people working on registry sets?

Steve B

[philliesphan]

I no longer remember the intricacies of this set, Steve, I do think that there may be a [small] handful of folks putting together Master Color 1941 Goudey sets. And, in that regard, there may be "commons" that may be extra ordinarily tough in one of the four colors.

Much akin to E94 collecting, perhaps, with regard to background colors and master sets.

[deadballera]

some colors are tougher to find

the cardboard with this issue was easily damaged...finding cards in higher grades are difficult.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by philliesphan

I no longer remember the intricacies of this set, Steve, I do think that there may be a [small] handful of folks putting together Master Color 1941 Goudey sets. And, in that regard, there may be "commons" that may be extra ordinarily tough in one of the four colors.

Much akin to E94 collecting, perhaps, with regard to background colors and master sets.

Good Lord, I hope there aren't color/player combos in that set which are as rare as some of those in the E94 masters et. I have been pulling my hair out for years over some of those

[GrayGhost]

http://thevintagesportscards.blogspo...41-goudey.html

Good piece on the set. I can't believe those were issued one to a pack w gum w such HIDEOUS quality control.

[BleedinBlue]

This is a tough master set to complete. Given the scarcity of the cards in the first place, combined with the known and unknown short prints plus the uneven color distribution makes certain player/color combinations very difficult. But it can be done given patience and funding. Goudey's lack of quality control adds another element to the chase as you try to pursue cards which are presentable. I've finished the task of building a master set. Now I'm trying to upgrade the ones I have to collect a presentable set of cards.

Originally Posted by tbob

Good Lord, I hope there aren't color/player combos in that set which are as rare as some of those in the E94 masters et. I have been pulling my hair out for years over some of those

[spec]

Is it possible that collector preference and focus have skewed the color availability of 1941 Goudeys over the past decade or so? My set, assembled 10-20 years ago with no attention paid to color, includes 12 red, 9 yellow, 6 blue and 6 green. My duplicates, mostly shabby and not including the Crouch needed by a previous poster, tend to balance those numbers, suggesting I encountered a rather normal distribution of colors back in the day. I do recall that Joe Sullivan was by far the toughest for me to find.

[Griffins]

Spec- I'm not so sure. Most of my (near) master set was assembled by buying numerous entire 33 card mixed color sets, taking what cards I needed, and assembling the dupes into another set for sale. Inevitably the set I would pick up would contain very few reds, a few more blues, and a large balance of greens and yellows. Given that these sets were often the only '41 Goudeys the seller had, I think it would be a strong indicator of which color is easier and which toughe.
A few years ago Brian C and I talked PSA into including the color on the flip in order to have it in the pop report. Hopefully over time some sort of trend would develop to help corroborate the relative scarcity of each color.

[Exhibitman]

Bid pattern. Two bidders butting heads with snipes drove it from $50 up to its close. Must have needed them for sets. The 'loser' this time may well end up with the next one at a fraction of the final price here.

[steve B]

Interesting. I hadn't heard that some colors are tougher. Like most sets I've been wandering my way towards completing it. Maybe it;s tougher than I'd thought.

Steve B

[GrayGhost]

this is one of the ugliest sets, but I do have ONE card for my type collection. Quality control person was layed off and went to work for PLayball that year, where he then lost his job when they stopped making cards too.

[ValKehl]

I really don't know anything re the 1941 Goudeys. Is one particular color reckoned to be the toughest for most players? For my type collection, I have been looking for a decent George Case card in red, as I have had Case in the other 3 colors for some time. Is red usually the toughest color? I have seen more green Cases than any other color.
Val

[Griffins]

Some of the cards that aren't listed as short prints are a lot tougher than the listed short prints.
I was the underbidder on one card I needed- one of the last 2 I need. Should've been a $30 card, my snipe of $178 was topped. I know a few other people that needed a few of the other cards and that certainly must've helped drive the bidding.
Right now you probably have 5 or 6 people working on the set in all 4 colors and Crouch, Coffman and a few others are on a bunch of wantlists.

Val, red backgrounds are by far the toughest, with blues a distant 2nd. Yellows and greens are pretty equal as the easiest.
The shortprints are tough, but as I stated above some of the others in the last 6 or 7 cards of the set (excluding #33, Mel Ott) are arguably tougher than the short prints.

[Big Ben]

Just an fyi....

Not sure about the prices realized for these cards, but I looked them up in a 2009 Beckett Almanac and found the following about 1941 Goudey.

"Cards 21-25 are especially scare in relation to the rest of the set. In fact, the eight hardest to find cards in the set are, in order, 22, 24, 23, 25, 21, 27, 29, and 32."