Officially How many T206 backs ?

[insidethewrapper]

Officially - How many T206 backs are there ? I've seen many lists. Could someone plus indicate how many and list them all here ? thanks Mike

[Abravefan11]

39 if you include Blank Back and Brown Old Mill which were not inserted into packs.

1) American Beauty 350 - Frame
2) American Beauty 350 - No Frame
3) American Beauty 460
4) Blank Back
5) Broad Leaf 350
6) Broad Leaf 460
7) Carolina Brights
8) Cycle 350
9) Cycle 460
10) Drum 350
11) El Principe De Gales
12) Hindu - Brown
13) Hindu - Red
14) Lenox – Black
15) Lenox - Brown
16) Old Mill – Black - Base Ball Subjects
17) Old Mill – Black - Southern Leagues
18) Old Mill – Brown - Southern Leagues
19) Piedmont 150
20) Piedmont 350
21) Piedmont 350-460 No.25
22) Piedmont 350-460 No.42
23) Polar Bear
24) Sovereign 150
25) Sovereign 350 – Dark Green
26) Sovereign 350 - Apple Green
27) Sovereign 460
28) Sweet Caporal 150 No.25
29) Sweet Caporal 150 No.30
30) Sweet Caporal 150 No.649 OP
31) Sweet Caporal 350 No.25
32) Sweet Caporal 350 No.30
33) Sweet Caporal 350-460 No.25
34) Sweet Caporal 350-460 No.30
35) Sweet Caporal 350-460 No.42
36) Sweet Caporal 350-460 No.42 OP
37) Tolstoi
38) Ty Cobb
39) Uzit

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

39 if you include Blank Back and Brown Old Mill which were not inserted into packs.

1) American Beauty 350 - Frame
2) American Beauty 350 - No Frame
3) American Beauty 460
4) Blank Back
5) Broad Leaf 350
6) Broad Leaf 460
7) Carolina Brights
8) Cycle 350
9) Cycle 460
10) Drum 350
11) El Principe De Gales
12) Hindu - Brown
13) Hindu - Red
14) Lenox – Black
15) Lenox - Brown
16) Old Mill – Black - Base Ball Subjects
17) Old Mill – Black - Southern Leagues
18) Old Mill – Brown - Southern Leagues
19) Piedmont 150
20) Piedmont 350
21) Piedmont 350-460 No.25
22) Piedmont 350-460 No.42
23) Polar Bear
24) Sovereign 150
25) Sovereign 350 – Dark Green
26) Sovereign 350 - Apple Green
27) Sovereign 460
28) Sweet Caporal 150 No.25
29) Sweet Caporal 150 No.30
30) Sweet Caporal 150 No.649 OP
31) Sweet Caporal 350 No.25
32) Sweet Caporal 350 No.30
33) Sweet Caporal 350-460 No.25
34) Sweet Caporal 350-460 No.30
35) Sweet Caporal 350-460 No.42
36) Sweet Caporal 350-460 No.42 OP
37) Tolstoi
38) Ty Cobb
39) Uzit

Different thread for sure but I think an argument could be made for the Ty Cobb card not being a T206. We have beat that horse enough though and I truly doubt, without any more empirical evidence being found, we ever come to an unanimous agreement on it. As I am doing the backs, very slowly, I won't consider the Cobb back for my set to be complete.

[danmckee]

Leon, I consider my backs set complete and I do not own a Cobb back. Dan.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by Leon

Different thread for sure but I think an argument could be made for the Ty Cobb card not being a T206.

Leon - I think we'll both agree it definitely is a topic that can and will be debated for a long time. I choose to include it because Burdick classified it as a T206 and until there is proof that it definitively isn't I'll keep it on the list. Either way a collector looks at it is OK with me.

[FrankWakefield]

38.


That glossy front card with the Ty Cobb back may well be a cousin to the white border tobacco cards, T206; but it is not a T206.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Leon - I think we'll both agree it definitely is a topic that can and will be debated for a long time. I choose to include it because Burdick classified it as a T206 and until there is proof that it definitively isn't I'll keep it on the list. Either way a collector looks at it is OK with me.

You included blank backs and Burdick didn't?

*understanding you gave a caveat but Burdick still didn't include them.

[Abravefan11]

I was just explaining my reasoning for including the Cobb on the list I use. I should have included the Cobb in the disclaimer with the Blank Back and Brown Old Mill in my original post.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

39 if you include Blank Back and Brown Old Mill which were not inserted into packs.

Being a half-hearted non-historian T206 collector, my question might seem obvious, but why are the blank backs not considered to have been inserted into packs? Isn't it possible that unprinted backs (a printing oversight, perhaps) made it through the printing process and into packs? And what is the reason for the Brown Old Mills not being in packs?

Brian

[Jaybird]

from what I understand, every blank back is hand cut, so that would be the reasoning why they would never have been inserted into packs. Only machine cut cards made it in.

I'll wait to hear on the Brown Old Mill. Curious about that one as well.

[Abravefan11]

Brown Old Mills are hand cut as well. I personally have never seen a factory cut.

[wonkaticket]

All known Brown Old Mills are handcut or trimmed in someway. Some are very obvious some not as much as others.

I've talked with other collectors and from what we can confirm there are around 12 known brown Old Mills to date confirmed. It's safe to say that since we can confirm 12, just being safe perhaps maybe there's another 10+ or so out there locked away or not surfaced.

There are also cases of cards just being missed the recent Goodwin Sid Smith was not labeled as anyting other than AUTH, however collectors caught notice of the auction and the price quickly shot up. Oddly enough Sid Smith seems to be one of the easier cards to find as there are 3 of him known others not so much.

Another neat note brown Old Mills have only been found on southern league brown Hindu players to date and most likely are not found on Texas league players. All the confirmed brown OM's are also found with Brown Hindu.

Then there are the (3) known print oddities. Leon's own super cool multi-strike printers scrap is a Brown Old Mill (along with others). Finally we have the 2 known print scraps with Sweet Caporal OP that are known. The single OP that sold in REA and the double OP that sold in Oser in 98. These are the cards that Chan & the T206museum were producing to collectors as fakes. To read more in case you missed that see the below links.

http://imageevent.com/piojohn3/fraud...milloverprints

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...highlight=chan

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=13341



If any of the info is a repeat sorry some of the newer members may have missed some of the info.

Cheers,

John

[wonkaticket]

I still need two more in my book...I'm up in the air on Cobb.

But according to a recent survey conducted by Wonkatech. 100% of all guys named Jim B think he's a T206.

I also think the mis-strikes on the SC 350-460 OP's are neat if you can find the right one both factory's are easily seen sort of a two factory card. I think they are neat and have added one to my back set and a few in my collection.

I also like going after players with all known backs or getting as close as I can.

Thought I would share, hope you guys share some cards too.




Cheers,

John

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Jaybird

from what I understand, every blank back is hand cut, so that would be the reasoning why they would never have been inserted into packs. Only machine cut cards made it in.

I'll wait to hear on the Brown Old Mill. Curious about that one as well.

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Brown Old Mills are hand cut as well. I personally have never seen a factory cut.

Thanks guys for the responses...now I and others have got us some educating in us.

Brian

[PolarBear]

What about Coupon.