Coupon Type 1--Notes & Facts

[drdduet]

After reviewing my notes--

Theory--Coupon type 1 (AND TYPE 1 ONLY!) is an "assorted back" of T206.

Coupon was a brand of cigarettes owned by the American Tobacco Company in 1909-1910. Cards were distributed via factory #3.

Cards were distributed in packs as were most T206's--Polar Bear was distributed in pouches.

Coupon Type 1 is composed of 68 cards printed in 1909-1910--I'm leaning towards mid-August 1909 based on Reader's "Inside T206"--inferred based on series distribution (phase II release--350-only, 350/460 SP, 350-only SL).

42 of the 68 are 350 series regular print only T206 subjects. 6 of the 48 are the super prints (Cobb red, Chase blue and dark cap, Matty dark cap, Evers Chicago on shirt, & Chance yellow portrait). 16 are the 150/350 SLers, and 4 are from the 350-only Southern League Group--all are from teams of the Southern Association of the Southern Leagues.

The 4 SLer Coupon subjects not from the T206 150/350 series SLers are Hart, Hart, Lentz, and Rockenfeld. There are the only Southern Association SLers in the 14 subjects of the T206 350 only SLers.

T206 350 only series subjects Byrne, Mowrey, and Rossman have been confirmed with a very limited number of 350 only backs, Coupon is one of them.

4 of the 5 (Abstein, Maddox, Miller, & Phillipe) 350 only series Pirates are unusually plentiful with the Piedmont 350 backs. Wilson is the exception, he is included in the Coupon type 1 series.

The 42 subjects that are 350 only T206 subjects appear to be a random selection, representing the major leagues.

Coupon type 1 cards are 1-7/16" x 2-1/8" (T206 American Beauty is narrower) and are printed on thin (almost paper) cardboard, the rest of T206's were printed on relatively thick card stock. They have the same font color, size, and style of the standard T206.

etc, etc, etc.

While my notes aren't listed here in completion, these make some of the main points. Most of my research is from 30+ years of studying T206: Resources include this board, "Inside T206" by Scot Reader, the Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards, "The Monster", the ACC, "The Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards" by Lew Lipset, the T206 Museum, etc.--AND NO!, I don't presume them to be T206's just because they look alike--not that their would be anything wrong with that!

Please feel free to comment, add, discuss....

[caramelcard]

Darren,

In regards to this: "Theory--Coupon type 1 (AND TYPE 1 ONLY!) is an "assorted back" of T206."

Obviously since it doesn't have a series/subject designation (ie 150/350/460) we can look at it as assorted if we group it with T206, but here's an interesting note:

All the backs that are assorted say either "assorted," or use the word "assortment" except for EPDG and this one.

Not that this excludes the type 1 coupons from the set, but if the guys on the other side of the argument were smart they'd use this to their advantage.

Rob

[E93]

Originally Posted by drdduet

After reviewing my notes--


The 4 SLer Coupon subjects not from the T206 150/350 series SLers are Hart, Hart, Lentz, and Rockenfeld. There are the only Southern Association SLers in the 14 subjects of the T206 350 only SLers.

My brain might be in meltdown mode at the end of the day (I just finished reading two articles on philological methodology that I assigned to my grad students for a seminar tonight), but can you re-phrase this point. I did not get it.

Thanks,
JimB

[drdduet]

Yes JimB,

There are 48 Southern Leaguers in T206. Of those, 34 subjects are in the 150/350 SLer group and 14 are in the 350 only SLer group--as per "Inside T206" by Scot Reader.

Of those 48, Coupon type 1 contains 20 of those SLers--16 from the 150/350 SLer group and 4 from the 350 only SLer group. Those 20 are all the Southern Association player across both T206 SLer groups. Thus Coupon (type 1), most likely because of its regional distribution ,chose to include all the Southern Association minor leaguers from T206.

[drdduet]

Hi Rob,

And only Polar Bear contains O'Hara and Demmitt St. Louis, only EPDG was distributed by factory #17, only American Beauty is narrow, only Sweet Cap have overstrikes, only Polar Bear has white lettering on the reverse, all but Polar Bear were distributed with cigarettes, all but Hindu were issued in the same color print, etc.

Thus is the mystery and magnificence of T206.

[caramelcard]

You meant to say, "Thus is the mystery and magnificence of T206-1, T206-2, T206-3, T206-4, T206-5, T206-6, T206-7, etc, etc."

Or should we call it "the set formerly known as T206?"

[QUOTE=drdduet;784804]all but Hindu were issued in the same color print,

QUOTE]

Didn't some one find that AB T206's had 2 different green types? Also this excludes the OM's also

[drdduet]

Yes Andrew,

You are correct that would be 3 of the existing T206 brands having issued different colored print on the reverse--AB-green, lighter green; OM-brown, black; and Hindu-red, brown. My mistake.

[E93]

Originally Posted by drdduet

Yes JimB,

There are 48 Southern Leaguers in T206. Of those, 34 subjects are in the 150/350 SLer group and 14 are in the 350 only SLer group--as per "Inside T206" by Scot Reader.

Of those 48, Coupon type 1 contains 20 of those SLers--16 from the 150/350 SLer group and 4 from the 350 only SLer group. Those 20 are all the Southern Association player across both T206 SLer groups. Thus Coupon (type 1), most likely because of its regional distribution ,chose to include all the Southern Association minor leaguers from T206.

Thanks much.
JimB

[FrankWakefield]

Hogwash.

[teetwoohsix]

There is no way one can argue with the facts presented on the similarities & timeframes of which T213-1 coupons were made,and how they compare to T206 in regards to dates,artwork,distribution,etc.,etc.,.....

I also have a feeling if EPDG had another design or two or three and had used blue or red or purple ink to list the players name and team designation that Burdick would have felt EACH EPDG would then need to be grouped into its own catagory,therefore EPDG would've been EXCLUDED from the T206 set-I only use this as an example.We would have the same result that we now have with the T213-1's,T213-2's and T213-3's.You could use any singular tobacco brand in place of EPDG for this example-like Tolstoi.

That is the point I'm trying to make.It is not an error,it makes the most sense(in my opinion).If there were no 2nd and 3rd series Coupon,the type one Coupon would HAVE ALREADY BEEN a T206.

I would like to hear what the benefit of reclassifying the type 1 Coupon as a T206 would be?

Sincerely,Clayton