T206 OLD MILL survey......UPDATED

[tedzan]

I have received several requests to reprise the OLD MILL thread from a year ago. Some had difficulty
with the SEARCH function to recover this survey, others did not know of its existence....so, here it is
with some new OLD MILL inputs added to the list.





UPDATED......8/21/09......confirmed OLD MILL subjects = 298


Abbaticchio (brown sleeves)
Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Abbott
Alperman
Ames (portrait)
Ames (hands above head)
Anderson
Atz
Baker
Ball (Cleveland)
Batch
Bates
Beck
Bell (pitching)
Bender (portrait)
Bender (no trees)
Bender (trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catching)
Berger
Bescher (arms in air)
Birmingham
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (portrait)
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Bransfield
Bresnahan (portrait)
Bridwell (no cap)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (portrait)
M. Brown (Chicago)
G. Brown (Washington)
Burch (fielding)
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arm at side)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Campbell
Casey
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (portrait-pink)
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chase (trophy)
Chesbro
F. Clarke (portrait)
F. Clarke (bat)
Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait-green)
Cobb (portrait-red)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Conroy (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Covaleski
Crandall (no cap)
Cravath
Crawford (throwing)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criss
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Davis
Harry Davis (A's)
George Davis (Chicago)
Delehanty (Washington)
Devlin
Dineen
Donlin (seated)
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Doolin
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle (hands over head)
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Duffy
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Washington-portrait)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (portrait)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferris
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Flick
Ford
Frill
Freeman
Fromme
Gandil
Gasper
Geyer
Gibson
Gilbert
Goode
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (portrait)
Griffith (bat)
Hahn
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Herzog (Boston)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howell (hands at waist)
Hulswitt
Hummel
Isbell
Jacklitsch
Jackson
Jennings (portrait)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (portrait)
Johnson (pitching)
Jones (Detroit)
F. Jones (hips)
F. Jones (portrait)
Jordan (portrait)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (portrait)
Joss (pitching)
Keeler (portrait)
Keeler (bat)
Kelley
Killian (pitching)
Kisinger
Kleinow (New York-catching)
Kleinow (Boston-catching)
Kleinow (New York-bat)
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lajoie (portrait)
Lajoie (throwing)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-ball)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Lavender
Leach (portrait)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Livingstone
Lobert
Lumley
Magee (bat)
Manning (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (hands/side)
Marquard (throwing)
Mathewson (portrait)
Mathewson (white cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McCormick
McGlynn
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (pointing)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Murphy (throwing)
Murray (portrait)
Myers (fielding)
Needham
Nichols (bat)
Nicholls (fielding)
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat)
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (portrait)
Overall (yellow sky)
Overall (blue sky)
Owen
Parent
Pastorius
Payne
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeffer
Pfeister (seated)
Pfeister (throwing)
Powell (horizontal)
Purtell
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker (portrait)
Rucker (throwing)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (bat)
Schlei (portrait)
Schmidt (throwing)
Schulte (back view)
Scott
Seymour (portrait)
Seymour (throwing)
Sheckard (no glove)
F. Smith (Chicago)
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (catching)
Spade
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stone
Stovall (portrait)
Stovall (bat)
Street (catching)
Sullivan
Sweeney (Boston)
Sweeney (New York)
L. Tannehill (Chicago)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Tannehill (follow thru)
Taylor
Tenney
Thomas
Tinker (portrait)
Tinker (hands/knees)
Tinker (bat on)
Tinker (bat off)
Titus
Turner
Unglaub
Waddell (throwing)
Waddell (portrait)
Wagner (left shoulder)
Wagner (right shoulder)
Wallace
Walsh
Warhop
Weimer
Wheat
White (Chicago-portrait)
White (Chicago-pitching)
White (Buffalo)
Wilhelm (hands/chest)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Williams
Willis (Pittsburg)
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Wiltse (portrait-cap)
Wiltse (no cap)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (bare hand)
CYoung (glove)
Irv Young
Zimmerman

Adding the 48 Southern Leaguers to this list of OLD MILL's, yields a grand total = 346

Hey guys and gals, check-out your T206's. Let's see if there are anymore OLD MILL's
that we haven't accounted for here ?


TED Z

[carrigansghost]

Hi Ted, VCP lists a Carrigan with an Old Mill back, but I doubt one exists. Please tell me that it doesn't.

Rawn

[tedzan]

I've never seen Carrigan with an Old Mill back. And, I've checked several surveys and they don't have him, either.

But, you never know with "the Monster"....this card could still show up.


TED Z

[carrigansghost]

I guess I'll have to wait and see if I'll ever complete his type set.

Thanks Ted

Rawn

[tedzan]

I have received several requests to reprise the OLD MILL thread from a year ago. Some had difficulty
with the SEARCH function to recover this survey, others did not know of its existence....so, here it is
with some new OLD MILL inputs added to the list.





UPDATED......8/25/09......confirmed OLD MILL subjects = 299


Abbaticchio (brown sleeves)
Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Abbott
Alperman
Ames (portrait)
Ames (hands above head)
Anderson
Atz
Baker
Ball (Cleveland)
Batch
Bates
Beck
Bell (pitching)
Bender (portrait)
Bender (no trees)
Bender (trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catching)
Berger
Bescher (arms in air)
Birmingham
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (portrait)
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Bransfield
Bresnahan (portrait)
Bridwell (no cap)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (portrait)
M. Brown (Chicago)
G. Brown (Washington)
Burch (fielding)
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arm at side)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Campbell
Casey
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (portrait-pink)
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chase (trophy)
Chesbro
F. Clarke (portrait)
F. Clarke (bat)
Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait-green)
Cobb (portrait-red)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Conroy (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Covaleski
Crandall (no cap)
Cravath
Crawford (throwing)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criss
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Davis
Harry Davis (A's)
George Davis (Chicago)
Delehanty (Washington)
Devlin
Dineen
Donlin (seated)
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Doolin
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle (hands over head)
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Duffy
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Washington-portrait)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (portrait)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferris
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Flick
Ford
Frill
Freeman
Fromme
Gandil
Gasper
Geyer
Gibson
Gilbert
Goode
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (portrait)
Griffith (bat)
Hahn
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Herzog (Boston)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howell (hand at waist)
Hulswitt
Hummel
Isbell
Jacklitsch
Jackson
Jennings (portrait)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (portrait)
Johnson (pitching)
Jones (Detroit)
F. Jones (hips)
F. Jones (portrait)
Jordan (portrait)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (portrait)
Joss (pitching)
Keeler (portrait)
Keeler (bat)
Kelley
Killian (pitching)
Kisinger
Kleinow (New York-catching)
Kleinow (Boston-catching)
Kleinow (New York-bat)
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lajoie (portrait)
Lajoie (throwing)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-ball)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Lavender
Leach (portrait)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Livingstone
Lobert
Lumley
Magee (bat)
Manning (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (hands/side)
Marquard (throwing)
Mathewson (portrait)
Mathewson (white cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McCormick
McGlynn
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (pointing)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Murphy (throwing)
Murray (portrait)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Needham
Nichols (bat)
Nicholls (fielding)
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat)
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (portrait)
Overall (yellow sky)
Overall (blue sky)
Owen
Parent
Pastorius
Payne
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeffer
Pfeister (seated)
Pfeister (throwing)
Powell (horizontal)
Purtell
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker portrait)
Rucker (throwing)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (bat)
Schlei (portrait)
Schmidt (throwing)
Schulte (back view)
Scott
Seymour (portrait)
Seymour (throwing)
Sheckard (no glove)
F. Smith (Chicago)
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (catching)
Spade
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stone
Stovall (portrait)
Stovall (bat)
Street (catching)
Sullivan
Sweeney (Boston)
Sweeney (New York)
L. Tannehill (Chicago)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Tannehill (follow thru)
Taylor
Tenney
Thomas
Tinker (portrait)
Tinker (hands/knees)
Tinker (bat on)
Tinker (bat off)
Titus
Turner
Unglaub
Waddell (throwing)
Waddell (portrait)
Wagner (left shoulder)
Wagner (right shoulder)
Wallace
Walsh
Warhop
Weimer
Wheat
White (Chicago-portrait)
White (Chicago-pitching)
White (Buffalo)
Wilhelm (hands/chest)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Williams
Willis (Pittsburg)
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Wiltse (portrait-cap)
Wiltse (no cap)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (bare hand)
CYoung (glove)
Irv Young
Zimmerman

Adding the 48 Southern Leaguers to this list of OLD MILL's, yields a grand total = 347

Hey guys & gals, check-out your T206's. Let's see if there are any more OLD MILL's that we have not
accounted for here ?


TED Z

[cfc1909]

I have been collecting the Baltimore T206 set for about 12 years. The Baltimore team has nine players pictured in the t206 set. The only two Baltimore players I know of with Old Mill are Dunn and Jackson and I have seen many Ol Mill examples of each Dunn and Jackson. Cassidy may exist but I have never seen one. Cassidy may be confused with Casey. Not too long ago I saw a Carolina Brights Jackson that I thought did not exist-so it is possible for Cassidy Old Mill but I would need to see it.

I think the minor league players in the t206 set were cut short. I think Old Mill continued to print the major league players but put a stop on the minor leaguers to make way for the T210 set which is all minor league players. I think the minor league players were introduced in the t206 set in early to mid 1910 and I am pretty sure the t210 set was introduced about this same time and this put a stop to the t206 Old Mill minor league run.

Lets see how many minor league t206 Old Mills that can be confirmed.

[tedzan]

Jamie....great stuff....thanks for that info.


I have received several requests to reprise the OLD MILL thread from a year ago. Some had difficulty
with the SEARCH function to recover this survey, others did not know of its existence....so, here it is
with some new OLD MILL inputs added to the list.





UPDATED......8/26/09......confirmed OLD MILL subjects = 300


Abbaticchio (brown sleeves)
Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Abbott
Alperman
Ames (portrait)
Ames (hands above head)
Anderson
Atz
Baker
Ball (Cleveland)
Batch
Bates
Beck
Bell (pitching)
Bender (portrait)
Bender (no trees)
Bender (trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catching)
Berger
Bescher (arms in air)
Birmingham
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (portrait)
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Bransfield
Bresnahan (portrait)
Bridwell (no cap)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (portrait)
M. Brown (Chicago)
G. Brown (Washington)
Burch (fielding)
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arm at side)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Campbell
Casey
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (portrait-pink)
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chase (trophy)
Chesbro
F. Clarke (portrait)
F. Clarke (bat)
Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait-green)
Cobb (portrait-red)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Conroy (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Covaleski
Crandall (no cap)
Cravath
Crawford (throwing)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criss
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Davis
Harry Davis (A's)
George Davis (Chicago)
Delehanty (Washington)
Devlin
Dineen
Donlin (seated)
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Doolin
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle (hands over head)
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Duffy
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Washington-portrait)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (portrait)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferris
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Flick
Ford
Frill
Freeman
Fromme
Gandil
Gasper
Geyer
Gibson
Gilbert
Goode
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (portrait)
Griffith (bat)
Hahn
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Herzog (Boston)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howell (hand at waist)
Hulswitt
Hummel
Isbell
Jacklitsch
Jackson
Jennings (portrait)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (portrait)
Johnson (pitching)
Jones (Detroit)
F. Jones (hips)
F. Jones (portrait)
Jordan (portrait)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (portrait)
Joss (pitching)
Keeler (portrait)
Keeler (bat)
Kelley
Killian (pitching)
Kisinger
Kleinow (New York-catching)
Kleinow (Boston-catching)
Kleinow (New York-bat)
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lajoie (portrait)
Lajoie (throwing)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-ball)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Lavender
Leach (portrait)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (pitching)
Leifield (bat)
Livingstone
Lobert
Lumley
Magee (bat)
Manning (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (hands/side)
Marquard (throwing)
Mathewson (portrait)
Mathewson (white cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McCormick
McGlynn
McGraw (portrait-no cap)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (pointing)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Murphy (throwing)
Murray (portrait)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Needham
Nichols (bat)
Nicholls (fielding)
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat)
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (portrait)
Overall (yellow sky)
Overall (blue sky)
Owen
Parent
Pastorius
Payne
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeffer
Pfeister (seated)
Pfeister (throwing)
Powell (horizontal)
Purtell
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker portrait)
Rucker (throwing)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (bat)
Schlei (portrait)
Schmidt (throwing)
Schulte (back view)
Scott
Seymour (portrait)
Seymour (throwing)
Sheckard (no glove)
F. Smith (Chicago)
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (catching)
Spade
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stone
Stovall (portrait)
Stovall (bat)
Street (catching)
Sullivan
Sweeney (Boston)
Sweeney (New York)
L. Tannehill (Chicago)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Tannehill (follow thru)
Taylor
Tenney
Thomas
Tinker (portrait)
Tinker (hands/knees)
Tinker (bat on)
Tinker (bat off)
Titus
Turner
Unglaub
Waddell (throwing)
Waddell (portrait)
Wagner (left shoulder)
Wagner (right shoulder)
Wallace
Walsh
Warhop
Weimer
Wheat
White (Chicago-portrait)
White (Chicago-pitching)
White (Buffalo)
Wilhelm (hands/chest)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Williams
Willis (Pittsburg)
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Wiltse (portrait-cap)
Wiltse (no cap)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (bare hand)
CYoung (glove)
Irv Young
Zimmerman

Adding the 48 Southern Leaguers to this list of OLD MILL's, yields a grand total = 348

Hey guys & gals, check-out your T206's. Let's see if there are any more OLD MILL's that we have not
accounted for here ?


TED Z

[tedzan]

Your 350-only series Minor League data compares with mine (32 subjects vs 33 subjects, respectfully).

And, your 350-only series Major League data further reinforces the theory that during 1910, American
Lithographic focused their OLD MILL production on their T210 issue.

My data then shows that 104 of the 109 subjects in the 350/460 series and 460-only are found with
OLD MILL backs. So, it looks like Am. Litho. switched back to printing the OLD MILL T206's after their
T210 press runs were completed.


TED Z

[frohme]

This was in a recent SCC auction - Leifield pitching. No back scan, but it is slabbed, for what that's worth.

http://www.auctionscc.com/archive/20...d-baseball/29/

--
Mike

[cfc1909]

Very interesting numbers. Possible the whole t206 Old Mill run was stopped to make way for t210. As you guys know I collect the 206 set but my passion is Baltimore so my thoughts on the 206 Old Mill run was focused on the minor league. Looks like Jamie has nailed it, thanks great research.

[ChrisStufflestreet]

While we're discussing T206 vs. T210 Old Mill...I recall seeing an ad for Old Mill cigarettes on the old Net54 that explained there were two cards (that we now know as T206) in each pack. But I've never gotten a straight answer...were there two T210s in each pack? I'm thinking no, but the experts here may have found a more definitive answer.

[White Borders]

When I count the cards in the list: "UPDATED......8/25/09......confirmed OLD MILL subjects = 300" I only get 299. Could someone with more fingers and toes than I have count them, and post your tally, please.

Even if it is off by one, Ted you've done another great service to the hobby!

Warmest Regards,
Craig