How rare is rare?

Many of the rarest 19th century cards have not been graded. Accordingly they do not appear in the population report. VCP has relatively few examples posted from the selected series.

Our question is what is your best guess on the number of cards known for the following series and what would your best estimate be for a reasonable value for a mid-grade (say SGC 50) example


Four Base Hits (exclude Kelley for value purposes)

Just So Chewing Tobacco

Large Gypsy Queen

Kalamazoo Bat Team Cards

Kalamazoo Bat Team Cabinets


Thanks and look forward to hearing your comments



Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

[barrysloate]

Here are rough estimates:

1) Four Base Hits 12-15
2) Just So 15-20
3) Large Gypsy Queen- there are a bunch known that have had the top part die cut, and quite a few complete ones, so 20-25
4) N690 teams (small)- maybe 25, with numerous Boston and Philadelphia known, while Detroit, Baltimore, and Pittsburgh are quite rare.
5) N690 teams (large) probably rarer than FBH, maybe 6-8

These are all guesses but hopefully in the ballpark.

Edited to add I'll leave out values because they are difficult to determine.

Thanks Barry

We'd be interested to know if any other collectors have opinions
on value. Also wonder how many people own a Red Stockings Cigar
card?

Bruce

[ScottFandango]

would 18 SGC copies and 12 PSA copies make somehting rare?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

would 18 SGC copies and 12 PSA copies make somehting rare?

Relative to some cards yes and relative to others no.....

[Touch'EmAll]

What issues would be near the top of the rarity department on T206 era and later? Guesses = Colgans Tin Tops, or 1931 W502's (only 4 total ever PSA graded), Also any early/mid 1920's Exhibits issues? And for you E-card enthusiasts, what candy issues super rare?

steve

[uffda51]

I've owned this card for about 15 years. I've found no reason to get it graded

[uffda51]

FWIW, I think Barry's estimates are pretty accurate.

[yomass]

I think Barry might be a little low in his estimate for large Gypsy Queens and K-Bat team cards. The rare team cards may have 3-5 copies, but the less rare ones may have as many as 8-10 each. I imagine there are more than a few sets of those out there.

[barrysloate]

Richard- Boston and Philadelphia Athletics probably have 8-10 each, Philadelphia Phillies are a little tougher, but Detroit, Baltimore, and Pittsburgh are extremely tough. Pittsburgh is about 2 known, Baltimore maybe 3 known, and Detroit not much more than that.

So the total could be maybe 30 known.

And you may be right about the large Gypsy Queen, not sure of those.