About those Authentic cards....

tbob · #1 07-01-2009, 06:27 PM

I remember posting about 3 years ago that I felt that cards graded authentic because they had a slight trim would eventually pass the value for Poor, Fair and even Good grades. Most just chuckled, but I still think one day they will. The cards with great aesthetic appearances just seem to have a lot of wriggle room monetarily compared to heavily creased ones.
Any thoughts?

Matt · #2 07-01-2009, 06:30 PM

I prefer sharp trimmed cards to most 1s and some 2s (i.e. if they have a major crease).

HRBAKER · #3 07-01-2009, 07:02 PM

Bob,
I prefer a crisp trimmed NRMT appearance to most beaters anyday. Value-wise I have no idea if your hypothesis would bear out. Now, I would rather have a NRMT front slight paper loss back SGC10 over a trim job.

2dueces · #4 07-01-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Bob,
I prefer a crisp trimmed NRMT appearance to most beaters anyday. Value-wise I have no idea if your hypothesis would bear out. Now, I would rather have a NRMT front slight paper loss back SGC10 over a trim job.

I agree!!

Kawika · #5 07-01-2009, 07:39 PM

Authentic cards ROCK!

Leon · #6 07-01-2009, 08:41 PM

First of all there is no doubt that some trimmed cards (AUT) will go for more than a 1 or even a 2. I do think it depends on the series and, more importantly, how the cards look. That D304 Cobby is a beaut!!!

sox1903wschamp · #7 07-01-2009, 08:57 PM

I do agree on Authentic grades having room to grow dollar wise as well as SGC 10's with a nice front appearance. I like both but would probably choose the 10 with a nice appearance over an "Auth" trim job. Wow David, there's that Joe Wood. I love it.

JamesGallo · #8 07-01-2009, 09:13 PM

I think as has been stated that it depends on the card, but in general I have an still agree with Tbob that the sigma behind a trimmed card is coming way down especially if the card is slightly trimmed. Now I have seen cards that are trimmed to the image, and that I do not like.

I also like cards with nice fronts and paper loss to the back, however I have found that often cards like this already sell for more then the grade.
The same reason I like it so do others as it makes an otherwise unaffordable card affordable.

James G

Kawika · #9 07-01-2009, 09:20 PM

" . . . it makes an otherwise unaffordable card affordable." There it is. Imagine that Cobb if it had a number grade. Bucks Deluxe. And sometimes, with a card like the T210 Goostree, you just take what you can get. Not too many of them floating around.

ethicsprof · #10 07-01-2009, 09:53 PM

Bob,
you've got some memory---bringing up a point from 3 years ago!!
your being a night owl has certainly not gotten in the way of your abilities!
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Some of my favorite 'trimmed' cards are my Nagy
AUT's and an E106 Gibson backview---all of which cost me quite a bit but worth every buck.

best,
barry

Jay Wolt · #11 07-01-2009, 09:15 PM

I agree w/ the consensus that some Authentic cards present better
then numbered low graded ones.

Here's one that I've posted here before but fits the bill of this thread.
SGC & PSA would not grade it since it was skinned, GAI slabbed it and
graded it an authentic.
The card front presents well w/ vibrant color and nice corners.
This card started me on the N284 set and the irony is, its my only GAI

benjulmag · #12 07-02-2009, 08:07 AM

In some cases, there could be legitimate difference of opinion whether an authentic card is in fact trimmed/altered. The "A" designation means the grading company cannot say for certain nothing was done to the card. Even if they are pretty sure the card is okay, my understanding is that they will still give it an "A". So for cards that fall within this category, I can certainly see someone buying the card at a price significantly more than a "real" "A" (i.e, there being no question the card was trimmed/altered) would command.

barrysloate · #13 07-02-2009, 08:13 AM

A card that the grading companies feel is probably okay, but are not willing to assign a number to, should be worth a huge premium for the simple reason that if you just keep submitting it you will eventually get a numerical grade (and that's why so much of this is so meaningless).

Matt · #14 07-02-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

A card that the grading companies feel is probably okay, but are not willing to assign a number to, should be worth a huge premium for the simple reason that if you just keep submitting it you will eventually get a numerical grade (and that's why so much of this is so meaningless).

But as a buyer, how do I know the card is one the graders couldn't decide on and not one they think is definitely trimmed and the seller is just blowing smoke to make more money? For that reason, unless the graders make a notation on the flip, I don't think such cards will carry a premium.

drc · #15 07-02-2009, 12:09 PM

I think trimmed cards are accepted and go for fair money when the cards are rare. There's a difference between a trimmed Lone Jack tobacco and a trimmed 1967 Topps Steve Carlton. By "accepted" I don't mean buyers like that the Lone Jack is trimmed, but trimming doesn't nix the purchase. With the Carlton, many buyers wouldn't touch it with a ten foot ball no matter how nice it looked.