Is having provenance or a pedigree on holder good

[BeanTown]

I’ve seen many graded items that come from player families or a well known collector. Does having their name on a TPG label help, hurt or doesn’t really matter to you when buying or bidding?

[tkd]

If it's memorabilia family provenance makes a big difference to me and I will often bid more if it comes directly from the family. If it's a sports card not signed it doesn't really add any value for me having their name on the label. Nor does it make it less valuable. If I want the card I want the card. The only exception to that was in 2018 or so when Linda Ruth Tosetti/Ruth family auctioned off family owned Babe Ruth items. I bid heavily on many of those items including some Goudey Ruth's owned by the Ruth family. If anyone won the Goudey Ruth's owned by the family please feel free to post.

[Jay Wolt]

If you collect "player owned pedigreed" cards, like I do, then having it specified on the flip helps.

[Jay Wolt]

[BioCRN]

Old Mill T206 Buck Herzog SGC A

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Old Mill T206 Buck Herzog SGC A (Large Ass - Net54)

[NiceDocter]

I think it’s kind of cool to have some cards with a famous collector like Buck Barker or Lionel Carter. Other than that….. doesn’t add anything for me.

[mrreality68]

I think it is pretty cool and for memorabilia it might help especially with real collectors but for most people and for flippers I do not think it matters

[Leon]

I think there should have been another option.


D. Pedigreed from someone that actually matters.


I couldn't care less about a Collectors Collector pedigree....but a Lionel Carter
or Skydash Collection (because of provenance) would add a little bit for me.

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[packs]

Means nothing to me. I'll buy a card from anyone if I want it, therefore I'm not too interested in who had it first.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think there should have been another option.


D. Pedigreed from someone that actually matters.


I couldn't care less about a Collectors Collector pedigree....but a Lionel Carter
or Skydash Collection (because of provenance) would add a little bit for me.

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This is the only correct answer.

[Casey2296]

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I like having pedigree from the old school collectors, Carter, Nagy, Pollard, etc.
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[raulus]

My take is it depends on the provenance.

If it’s coming from my collection, it’s hard to imagine anyone cares. And might be a negative for some people. If it’s coming out of a famous collection, particularly one that isn’t viewed as infamous (like BSF), then it’s probably just a question of how much it helps. My guess is that in many cases, the premium is probably not gigantic, but does exist for the right provenance.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

I think it is pretty cool and for memorabilia it might help especially with real collectors but for most people and for flippers I do not think it matters

For memorabilia (GU jerseys, specifically) when I see Barry Halper's name attached, it makes me tread very carefully.

[skelly423]

Originally Posted by NiceDocter

I think it’s kind of cool to have some cards with a famous collector like Buck Barker or Lionel Carter. Other than that….. doesn’t add anything for me.

There are certain collectors that will probably command a premium (Uncle Jimmy Autographs and Lionel Carter come to mind for me), but I think for most cards a pedigree has no impact on the resale value of the card

[clamendo]

I posted on this last year. I think it’s very difficult today to prove where the cards came from. I was able to obtain a pedigree on a football lot from the Copeland Collection. He had a thirst for high grade and the Soethby’s auction of his collection spawned grading, sports memorabilia auctions, spending big money on cards, etc. About 50% of the comments people cared and 50% didn’t (so they say). I know the history of the Wagner (from this auction), but to have all 250 cards pass through the gauntlet (giving the much stricter grading, computer scanning, etc) and have everyone come back with a numerical grade is something. The grades varied but the run of Kahn’s probably averaged 6.5. I’ve been thinking about merging my Kahn’s cards with Copeland’s, if it’s a tie I’ll keep his. It’s a tough decision. ‘59,’61,’62’63’ and ‘64K If anyone is interested shoot me a PM.






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[todeen]

I know when Hankphenom is selling on this site I always take a peek!

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[GasHouseGang]

I was happy to pick up these with the Lionel Carter provenance.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Love my Lionel Carter cards. I'll never part with this beat to hell Chase E98. I'll upgrade him in my set, but I'll be keeping this one.

I used to have an E78 from Nagy's collection and sold it a few years ago and regret it still. Eventually I'll pick up another Nagy, but that was a cool card from a tough set.



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[pokerplyr80]

I did not read all of the responses, but it seems it just depends on the collection it came from. I doubt it would ever hurt the value, unless the source later turned out to be I evolved in some kind of fraud. If I see something like Lionel Carter, or owned by Mantle, I will bid a little more.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I did not read all of the responses, but it seems it just depends on the collection it came from. I doubt it would ever hurt the value, unless the source later turned out to be I evolved in some kind of fraud. If I see something like Lionel Carter, or owned by Mantle, I will bid a little more.

I agree with Jesse here. Certain names, I think, increase the desirability of the card and the price. There only needs to be some people willing to pay more for the Carter card and the price goes up. There are a ton of collectors who could care less about the pedigree being called out on the flip, but there are enough who do care that the prices reflect that intrerest.




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[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I did not read all of the responses, but it seems it just depends on the collection it came from. I doubt it would ever hurt the value, unless the source later turned out to be I evolved in some kind of fraud. If I see something like Lionel Carter, or owned by Mantle, I will bid a little more.

..Many of us on here would resort to fisticuffs to obtain a " From The Adrian Collection". -- or in my case Chuck Klein.


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