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Old 01-23-2023, 10:42 AM
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Default SGC and Heritage ????

Saw this on Heritage
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...50060-01262023

Problem is SGC screwed up because this is Tom and not Pat
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Saw this on Heritage
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...50060-01262023

Problem is SGC screwed up because this is Tom and not Pat

And now Heritage is spinning it as a Undocumented Team Variation

Bunch of crap and coming from these 2 companies this never should of happened and caught as a ID error....
There are humans that do these things. Not saying it should happen, but it does.

I could see going by what a TPG says and then making a mistake, myself. Though I have learned to double check stuff....as my (*as well as a lot of our members) experience probably exceeds a lot of graders.
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Old 01-23-2023, 10:54 AM
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Saw this on Heritage
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...50060-01262023

Problem is SGC screwed up because this is Tom and not Pat

And now Heritage is spinning it as a Undocumented Team Variation

Bunch of crap and coming from these 2 companies this never should of happened and caught as a ID error....
Have you reached out to Heritage about this?
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I know they are only human...

Just in my opinion this card was seen by to many people to not figure out the problem before they posted it for sale and as a TEAM Variation of all things.

I expect more maybe that is wrong of me
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According to the Old Judge book, and Wikipedia as well, Thomas H. Deasley went by "Pat", in which case the name is not erroneous and the listing is correct, although confusing given there is a a Pat Dealy in the OJ set who also played for Washington, but in 1887, not 1888.
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Todd is exactly right—no screw up on SGC’s part. Deasley has 14 poses, all 1888 cards are with Washington. At the time we wrote the book we had not seen a Washington variation of this pose but since then another has been found and I have it listed in my personal updates. So, according to our book, which was all HA had to go by, it was unlisted. Therefore, neither SGC nor HA screwed up. I would suggest to Bobby that he consult the book before calling people out.
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Todd is exactly right—no screw up on SGC’s part. Deasley has 14 poses, all 1888 cards are with Washington. At the time we wrote the book we had not seen a Washington variation of this pose but since then another has been found and I have it listed in my personal updates. So, according to our book, which was all HA had to go by, it was unlisted. Therefore, neither SGC nor HA screwed up. I would suggest to Bobby that he consult the book before calling people out.
Jay - is there anyway to get a list of the updates for the book?

I started writing my previous post before you posted your last post. I got pulled away and finished it up and then saw you posted, which is awesome because I figured you'd have some great insight to this.

So, should we all be bidding on this newly found team variation? Just kidding.
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OJ Bible shows pose 121-10 released with a NY team designation (not with Washington team designation). There are other Uniform looks like NY.

Deasley played with NY 1885-1887. Deasley played with Washington in 1888.

What might be interesting is that the authors of the OJ Bible:

1) Were not aware of Washington team variation for that pose
2) It wasn't known when the book was published but it is now (which could mean that it's a tough team variation)
3) They did know about it but forgot to type Washington in the team variations field in the OJ Bible.

The hard core OJ collectors may want that team variation if it wasn't known before. Awesome - now it's outed on the board!!! I'll be watching this one.
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