California Photographer CDV - Late 1870s?

[Leon]

You guys did so good on the tintype, what are thoughts on the age of this one....

[khkco4bls]

Leon according to the ring bat 1880s. Can u read the label on the bat

[Leon]

Originally Posted by khkco4bls

Leon according to the ring bat 1880s. Can u read the label on the bat

Thanks Kevin. No, I can't read the label on the bat even with a huge scan. I thought maybe late 1870s because of the bibs, but I got this from Scott F. and I think (but am not sure) he had it listed as 1880. Maybe circa 1880 would be good?

According to this website in the late 1870's/early 1880's, the photographer for MH Grant studios in Eureka, California was Amassa Flaglor.

https://library.humboldt.edu/humco/h...ricsonNews.htm

Here's Flaglor bio:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Nne...page&q&f=false

Seems Flaglor was in Eureka 1871-1880, then moved to San Francisco. Don't find any record of MH Grant studios after 1882 in Eureka. But records are incomplete.

[slidekellyslide]

c1880 is probably as good as you can get...could certainly be late 1870s, but almost certainly is not later than 1885. I have had photos of players in bib uniforms as late as the 1890s, but this certainly looks circa 1880.

Went to Library of Congress Newspaper Archives and searched "Eureka Baseball", years 1875-1885. There are seven articles on the Eureka Baseball Club, all from a Sacramento paper, all in 1883:

Here's one:
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...arRange&page=1

Strange there were no articles pre-1883, but Dan's right ca. 1880 is probably as close as possible. It's a great looking image. Hope that helps, enjoy the rest of National Love Your Pet Day.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

Thanks Kevin. No, I can't read the label on the bat even with a huge scan. I thought maybe late 1870s because of the bibs, but I got this from Scott F. and I think (but am not sure) he had it listed as 1880. Maybe circa 1880 would be good?

I try to be conservative with age guesses, but I really do think circa 1880 is good for this one. We often see age arguments built based on the presence of ring bats, bibs or pillbox hats - I might start a new thread: "Show us your baseball images with bibs, ring bats or pillbox hats, from the 1900's" Some of you would be quite surprised.

I try to start by looking at the qualities of the photo and mount first, then key on the other stuff as support for my first gut reaction - you don't want a bib, ring bat or pillbox hat clouding your judgement. Attaching an age to an old photos is often based on a lot of stuff going on in your brain at a less conscious level - hard to put your finger on it, but you have a gut feel based on the sum of all the knowledge you've accumulated and pieces you've seen. When I see people assertively state that something's from say, 1880, and I have a strong feeling that it's more like 1900, I should probably just keep my opinion to myself - without 'proof', it's all just one collector's knowledge and experience vs another's.

I do remember getting bamboozled by a mount that I was certain was circa 1905, and then I found one from the 1890's in my own collection that could be definitively dated to that period. There are always opportunities to learn.

[drcy]

If I had to pick a decade, I'd pick 1870s. It looks 1870s. The photo style and uniforms are 1870s-stye, which of course doesn't mean it couldn't be say 1880 or 1881.

[barrysloate]

I'll say 1880-85.

[GaryPassamonte]

Leon- I've only seen one other baseball cdv from California. Very nice pick up.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

Leon- I've only seen one other baseball cdv from California. Very nice pick up.

Shameless plug is it will be in our next auction opening in a few days....Good luck if anyone goes for it. I already have one cdv for my collection besides my Peck and Snyder so don't really need another. And the one I speak of is the one I unfortunately won out from under you on the bay.