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Alteration Debate: 1997 UD Griffey Patch Card
On Griffey Facebook group there is currently a debate about the iconic 1997 UD Griffey patch card. A collector is on the hunt for 24 of them, and he is going to send them into private signings and have them auto'd. It's about a 50/50 split whether this should happen with this card, and whether this is classified as an alteration. I have no feeling about it. When patch cards first started coming out in the late 90s, and I had moral outrage about cutting up Babe Ruth bats and jerseys. But eventually I developed a ce la vie attitude.
What do you all think? Sent from my SM-G9900 using Tapatalk
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Were some of the originals issued with a signature and the issue is that these may be confused for those? Otherwise I can't see a problem if someone wants to get his card signed.
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Alteration, no.
There are people who don't want to see non-auto 1/1s signed, but for unnumbered patch cards, whatever.
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For historical significance it is one of the first jersey patch cards ever created - with Gwynn and Rey Ordonez. As far a I know the card was not issued autographed. The argument is that the limited print run should necessitate retaining original state. Others are arguing about buybacks, etc. As is, it's pushing $1500 or more.
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I can't see how it's an alteration. That said, I'd rather own that card in its original state.
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I mean I suppose that technically having a card signed is altering it, but I cannot fathom why getting ones cards autographed by the athlete on them would cause distress to any reasonable person.
Last edited by G1911; 05-29-2022 at 09:51 PM. |
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It seems a bit crazy to lay out 36K for cards to get autographed.
But whoever it is will probably do it. To resell? To make some crazy display? Not what I'd do. And it's sort of funny that if I write on a card it's altered, if the pictured person writes on it it's a wonderful thing.... |
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Well, I am of the opinion that the cards are his and his to do what he wishes. If he wants them autographed, so what, more power to him.
I cannot see a downside to his decision to do what he wishes with his cards. YMMV Butch Turner
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You don't have to roast me like that
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Wow I didn’t realize how much these sell for now! I regret not picking one up years ago.
I just looked and there is a signed one on eBay right now. Will be interesting to see where it ends. |
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No skin in this game, but I believe those that feel strongly about them remaining as originally issued are free to acquire them unsigned and maintain them as such, otherwise they can Shut The F*** Up!
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He finally uploaded a picture of the start of his journey. $36k + (24 × $300 auto fee). $300 was what TriStar requested for their May signing.
Like I said, I got over it long ago when they started destroying historical memorabilia. Adding a signature to a card doesn't bother me. But 50% of people were arguing this card has such historical significance to the hobby that it should be retained in its original state. Do others on this board have that same feeling? Sent from my SM-G9900 using Tapatalk
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No. I can't imagine objecting to an autographed card. Assuming we could be certain it's genuine, an autographed Wagner (a card with indisputably more historical significance) would be awesome. |
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In baseball, it was a three card set with Gwynn and Rey Ordonez. So Griffey obviously carries the weight. Sent from my SM-G9900 using Tapatalk
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I think they look awesome signed. Collecting is all about having fun and what makes you all warm and happy inside.
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And now that he has 24 of them signed. Did he have Mr. Griffey number them? If not anyone can buy one or 2 and have them signed and ruin his player number run..( on the other hand big Griffey fan with the funds I am sure he likes the display) But if enough get signed eventually the unsigned versions will outpace the signed ones.
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