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1909-11 T206 Honus Wagner vs. 1911-16 Kotton Honus Wagner: Who Has More?
Hello everyone,
Since practically every thread on the pre-war board is T206 related, I thought I would chime in. While at the National I was having a chat with a dealer about the T206 Wagner. Somewhere along the line I said something like "Heck, the T206 Wagner is not even his toughest tobacco card!" The dealer looked at me like I head three heads and immediately told me I was wrong....to which I believe I am not. According to the combined pop reports (if I'm reading this correctly) of PSA and SGC, there are a total of (35) 1909-11 T206 Wagner cards graded. According to those same population reports, there are a total of (16) 1911-1916 T216 Kotton/Mino/Virginia Extra of both poses combined. I'm not sure if this means anything to y'all at all, but would be interested in your input. Proportional to other T206 cards (which you could find at the bottom of the Marianas Trench), the Sweet Cap/Piedmont Wagner is obviously tougher. However, according to raw numbers in existense, I'm not so sure. Personally, I find the T216 to be much more interesting to me and at 10% the price. J-- Last edited by Orioles1954; 08-19-2010 at 06:07 PM. |
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My guesstimates for known/existing populations of each: T206: 70-90 T216 Kotton thick (types 1 and 2) throwing: 20-25 T216 Kotton thick (types 1 and 2) batting: 20-25 T216 Kotton thin (type 3) throwing: 3-5 T216 Kotton thin (type 3) batting: 5-7 T216 Mino throwing: 5-10 T216 Mino batting: 3-5 T216 Virginia Extra throwing: 0-3 T216 Virginia Extra batting: 0-3 One interesting thing to note is that T216 Wagners exist as both 2b and ss. However, from what I have seen of the T216 set over the years, I do not believe that the Wagner "ss" version (either pose) is available in either Mino or Kotton thick backs. Conversely, I do not believe that the Wagner "2b" version is available in the Kotton thin, and if a Virginia Extra Wagner were to exist, I do not believe that it would be a 2b either. So, in summary, this is what I believe are the possible combinations (both poses): 1) Kotton thick - 2b only 2) Kotton thin - ss only 3) Mino - 2b only 4) Virginia Extra - ss only Cannot prove it, as only a handful of each example exist for 2 and 3, and 4 may not even exist. However, this is what my gut tells me. Similar for the Cobb, only one variation of the standing pose is found on Kotton thin. I would be interested to hear other people's estimates on total populations. |
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Maybe this topic is too esoteric for folks not to care.
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Wagner populations
I think that we have had this discussion quite a few times and it might be the reason for the lack of enthusiasm. No doubt, in my mind, that any of the T216 wagners are exponentially more rare than the T206 Wags.
I must repeat at least 100x a yr, to someone with a rare card, that the rarity of their card is only part of the value equation and is, most times, the lesser part. It is almost entirely (90%?) about demand, with respect to value. It's just the fact. If it wasn't then I would be a lot richer than I am ......
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nice
Now that's funny......I love it!!
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If I could correct you, the correct percentages in determining value are: rarity 0% supply 50% demand 50% |
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Thanks !!
Very useful summary. |
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