Another one for Al & the Pinback Guys...

[perezfan]

OK, this one is football and not baseball. Still need some help from the Pin experts on this one. I have a pretty decent Pinback collection, but it's not my "wheelhouse" so to speak...

That said... everything about this one (from the construction, style, foxing and aging) looks legit and age-appropriate to me. Is this Jim Brown Pin a Fantasy, or a legitimate vintage Pin?

I could not find another exemplar, which could be either good or bad. If it's a repro, you'd think they'd be all over the place, but it would be nice to see some verified "comps" as well. Seems to be a rare one, if it's indeed good.

Any thoughts from the Pin Gurus?

[ooo-ribay]

I’m leaning fantasy, due to the pin clasp. Jim retired in 1965 and baseball PM-10s were still using the “poke your eye out” type pin at that time. I also don’t like the lack of Brown’s name. What size is it?

[batsballsbases]

Hi Mark,
What is the size of the pin? 1 3/4 2 1/8 or 3 1/4. Now if its the first 2 I would have to say fantasy as as Rob said. The clasp to me for that size would be wrong. Now if its 3 1/4 that clasp would be correct. BUT to tell the truth I would have to lean on fantasy or made up also!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Hi Mark,
What is the size of the pin? 1 3/4 2 1/8 or 3 1/4. Now if its the first 2 I would have to say fantasy as as Rob said. The clasp to me for that size would be wrong. Now if its 3 1/4 that clasp would be correct. BUT to tell the truth I would have to lean on fantasy or made up also!

The seller is Seaweed2270 (Eric Weeden) who specializes in Pinbacks, and is by far the biggest seller of them on eBay. He described the Pinback as being circa 1959. I assumed that he advertised and described it correctly, and knows his stuff. Perhaps I/he was wrong...

It's 3" in diameter, FWIW. I will address the issue with him... many thanks for your help.

[ooo-ribay]

Perhaps a vintage, but home made, job? I’m not sure you’ll ever know....

[perezfan]

IDK... it does not look at all home-made.

Dumb question... What are these pins "coated" with anyway? I assume it's just paper underneath a varnish or plastic coating of some kind? Is there a word for the glossy surface material?

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by perezfan

The seller is Seaweed2270 (Eric Weeden) who specializes in Pinbacks, and is by far the biggest seller of them on eBay. He described the Pinback as being circa 1959. I assumed that he advertised and described it correctly, and knows his stuff. Perhaps I/he was wrong...

It's 3" in diameter, FWIW. I will address the issue with him... many thanks for your help.

Mark as far as Eric goes (this is my opinion) And I have nothing against Eric he is a member here and yes maybe you can ask him BUT Eric buys up large and small collections from auction houses etc., marks them up 50-100 % and puts them back on ebay. With these types of collections you get the good with the bad the shit with the sad.For Eric I would use the word business man not expert. Now back to your pin In my opinion if the pin is 3" exactly not 3 1/8 or 3 1/4 I would deem it a fantasy piece. Now if Eric wishes to come on and tell me why he thinks its real and how he knows that Im all ears. I see it sold for $295.00 and I assume you were the buyer,I would have asked more questions before I bought that pin.....