Live Ink or laughable?

[Case12]

I bought it. Could this be live Ink? Or just laser jet printed.

Story - 80lb card stock printed on one-sided and sent to player to sign some years ago. Owner has long story and swears it is true. So, we know the card is not real, but the signature should be?

First tale - colors around the letters don't match. Notice that even the E and D have no yellow in their loops. Second - I see no ink overlap or beginning/ending pressure when holding it up to light.

This exact same card is used in Baseball-Alamanac on line. Which has all the same characteristics - no yellow in the loops. The ebay name is 'everloven'.

Why do I care? It completes (sorta) an autographed card set for me.

Toss it?

[bnorth]

Can't you just tip it in the light and see if it is live ink, kinda like when you look for small imperfections on a card? That is how I look for live ink.

[Case12]

Yes, I did. Since the card is not glossy, it is harder to tell. I also put it under high magnification. My vote is printed, not signed. Just interested in other thoughts. I am surprised it would be used in the Baseball Almanac as an example.

[Smanzari]

Originally Posted by Case12

Yes, I did. Since the card is not glossy, it is harder to tell. I also put it under high magnification. My vote is printed, not signed. Just interested in other thoughts. I am surprised it would be used in the Baseball Almanac as an example.

Is there literal white spaces inside the signature? If so, you're probably right on the printing

[36GoudeyMan]

The signature goes into the border, which would be odd, I think, for a printed signature. Also, the ink on the signature is lighter in the white areas at the border,which suggests it was placed over the white space underneath. It might mean a later overprint of a printed signature but that would be odd in the printing process. The absence of yellow in certain parts of the signature and around the edges of the signature could be a function of the effect of live ink on the original colored printing surface, but I think that's a reach. Silly (probably stupid, actually) question: are there other unsigned versions of this card out there (Registry, etc.)? Seems like an easy way to tell. Edited: here ---> https://www.psacard.com/cardfacts/ba...goss-598/28426

[Case12]

The sellers response ----- It is printed on a lighter 80lb card stock as mentioned in the description, and "homemade custom card" is also in the title. The signature is not a print, it IS signed by Ed, sent to him at his address in Puerto Rico a few years back. I got a variety of sigs from Ed, as he was once in the Twins organization. I've been parring down my collection as I age. Again, it is a real signatue, not a printed signature. But am refunding your monies rather than send the card back. Give it a good home. The actual Tops card is pretty expensive, which s why went with a "homemade" version at the time, just to fulfill the need when I was trying to get autographed images showcasing a player throughout their career for a website. I like happy customers, so am refunding your payment. Joel

[steve B]

Originally Posted by 36GoudeyMan

The signature goes into the border, which would be odd, I think, for a printed signature. Also, the ink on the signature is lighter in the white areas at the border,which suggests it was placed over the white space underneath. It might mean a later overprint of a printed signature but that would be odd in the printing process. The absence of yellow in certain parts of the signature and around the edges of the signature could be a function of the effect of live ink on the original colored printing surface, but I think that's a reach. Silly (probably stupid, actually) question: are there other unsigned versions of this card out there (Registry, etc.)? Seems like an easy way to tell. Edited: here ---> https://www.psacard.com/cardfacts/ba...goss-598/28426

I think the ink affecting the printed area might not be such a stretch.

It won't be 100% since inks can be different, but printing yellow on a similar bit of paper and writing on it with a sharpie? Other felt pen? Should be interesting.