Beware...T206 Brown Old Mill PSA 2.5 Thornton on Ebay

[CMIZ5290]

not a Brown Old Mill...

[Fred]

Got a link

[glynparson]

https://m.ebay.com/itm/T206-Old-Mill...0AAOSwtEVbQEZq

[Pat R]

Not that it's a surprise but the seller knows it's a mistake by PSA
he bought the card for $150.

http://www.flippertools.com/tools/eb...QAAOSwpuBZwn8q

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

not a Brown Old Mill...

I never do good with eyesight on brown vs black but it looks brown, no?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Old-Mi...EZq&rmvSB=true

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Leon

I never do good with eyesight on brown vs black but it looks brown, no?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Old-Mi...EZq&rmvSB=true

It's not Leon, it does have a brownish look compared to some of the regular
black Old Mills we see but it's not even close when you put it next
to a true Brown Old Mill.

Thornton Old Mill.jpg

[STL1944]

I love the original add back when the card was sold for $150

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Old-Mi...rue&rmvSB=true

"This card has been professionally authenticated and graded by PSA (Professional Sports Authenticator), a division of Collector’s Universe, and the #1 grading company in the sports card industry. You can depend on the fact that the card is original and authentic, and that the quality is assured....


We are selling off stuff that has been accumulated and stored up to 40 years in my Grandaddy’s old house next door.

[darwinbulldog]

I think I've posted this before, but the rule is that the brown ones have a noticeably red tint to them, so if there's a question just ask "Does this 'brown' look kinda red?" And if the answer's "No" you're just looking at a faded black one.

[Rhotchkiss]

Months ago, this card sat on eBay for weeks, listed for sale as a brown old mill (I think he was asking $15k). I am one of likely a dozen people who emailed him to tell him it’s not a brown old mill. He knows. And it most certainly is not a brown old mill.

PSA screwed the pooch big time on this one, and the seller is a piece of shit fishing for a dummy to screw over.

Ryan Hotchkiss

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Months ago, this card sat on eBay for weeks, listed for sale as a brown old mill (I think he was asking $15k). I am one of likely a dozen people who emailed him to tell him it’s not a brown old mill. He knows. And it most certainly is not a brown old mill.

PSA screwed the pooch big time on this one, and the seller is a piece of shit fishing for a dummy to screw over.

Ryan Hotchkiss

Please tell us how you really feel, Ryan. Don't hold back just because it's us....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Old-Mi...EZq&rmvSB=true

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[Solemany2k]

I bought one from him he listed that was brown and it's not it's just kind of faded. I also noticed some of his cards from GAI definitely look trimmed. The Christy Mathewson he has right now was Gai graded 8 he wanted 15 grand for it now I see it's crossed over to SGC authentic and he still wants 5k. He bought a beautiful red portrait t206 Cobb from me graded authentic by SGC and cracked it open and sent it back to SGC and somehow it came back and 4. 5. I was sick for a month. I posted the two pictures about a month ago on this forum where mine was graded authentic and then converted over to a 4. 5 I also sold him a green cobb portrait graded psa 2 which he enhance the color on Photoshop to make the green look so much better than it actually was and I feel sorry for the guy that bought it because I know he had to be disappointed. I dealt with him one time and it will be my last he's quite a Sly one

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[Sean]

Originally Posted by Solemany2k

I bought one from him he listed that was brown and it's not it's just kind of faded. I also noticed some of his cards from GAI definitely look trimmed. The Christy Mathewson he has right now was Gai graded 8 he wanted 15 grand for it now I see it's crossed over to SGC authentic and he still wants 5k. He bought a beautiful red portrait t206 Cobb from me graded authentic by SGC and cracked it open and sent it back to SGC and somehow it came back and 4. 5. I was sick for a month. I posted the two pictures about a month ago on this forum where mine was graded authentic and then converted over to a 4. 5 I also sold him a green cobb portrait graded psa 2 which he enhance the color on Photoshop to make the green look so much better than it actually was and I feel sorry for the guy that bought it because I know he had to be disappointed. I dealt with him one time and it will be my last he's quite a Sly one

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For future reference, if an Old Mill comes with a numeric grade, it's not a Brown. OM Browns are hand cut and are graded Authentic.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Solemany2k

I bought one from him he listed that was brown and it's not it's just kind of faded. I also noticed some of his cards from GAI definitely look trimmed. The Christy Mathewson he has right now was Gai graded 8 he wanted 15 grand for it now I see it's crossed over to SGC authentic and he still wants 5k. He bought a beautiful red portrait t206 Cobb from me graded authentic by SGC and cracked it open and sent it back to SGC and somehow it came back and 4. 5. I was sick for a month. I posted the two pictures about a month ago on this forum where mine was graded authentic and then converted over to a 4. 5 I also sold him a green cobb portrait graded psa 2 which he enhance the color on Photoshop to make the green look so much better than it actually was and I feel sorry for the guy that bought it because I know he had to be disappointed. I dealt with him one time and it will be my last he's quite a Sly one

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Hey guy,

Bastian is one of 14 - Southern Leaguer's that is an impossible card with a brown OLD MILL back. Check-out this thread.... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=125226&page=2


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey guy,

Bastian is one of 14 - Southern Leaguer's that is an impossible card with a brown OLD MILL back. Check-out this thread.... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=125226&page=2


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Now he relists the item...

[Pat R]

His comments at the bottom of the listing are humorous considering
he paid $150 for the card on June 5th.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Old-Mi...LH_TitleDesc=0

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[Sean]

Did this jerk think that PSA would reimburse him for a Brown Old Mill?

[Solemany2k]

Wow didn't have a clue


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[Yoda]

I think PSA has a rogue grader, who is either color blind or new at the game. I submitted a pair of T206 SL'ers to PSA with the intention of consigning them to Al at LTGA. When they both came back labeled as Brown, I was puzzled, remembering that some wise soul on this forum stated that any legit brown would come back as A, since the bona fides were hand cut. I showed them to Al, who agreed they were incorrectly graded and called PSA to bring it to their attention. They re-graded the cards properly and they duly appeared in Al's last auction where they didn't fetch $15,000+, I am sad to say.
Two observations: 1. Shouldn't such high value card(s) pass by some top grader, or even Joe O., to determine correctness before releasing them? How
does their quality control system work, if at all?
2. I believe it is a sign on Al's integrity to confront PSA about the cards before accepting them as a consignment. It saved a lot of embarrassment, particularly PSA's.

[BosseFieldBoy]

I emailed the seller to tell him I didn't think the card was a brown Hindu and he responded that he had received a lot of emails about it. The seller thanked me and said he was just going to auction the card and see what it sells for. But he didn't say whether he would list it as a brown back or even raise the question in the listing...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by BosseFieldBoy

But he didn't say whether he would list it as a brown back or even raise the question in the listing...

Because of course he won't.

[Peter_Spaeth]

PSA knows about it, though I am not sure what they can or can't do vis a vis ebay.