T206 Marquard Armpit 8 Variation

[thehoodedcoder]

OK. So I just bought this card in a 3 way deal. It is the T206 Marquard Armpit 8 Variation/Error

I'm pretty sure it is the card Lemke evaluated in his blog but I can't swear to it.

I have seen a minimal thread or two about it but never anything really substantial. Can anyone shed some light on this. Additionally, about how many of them are known to exist and what if any grades have been assigned to the known cards?

Kevin

[thehoodedcoder]

no responses. boink.

[Jantz]

Here is my box score on the Marquard "8"

2 Piedmont 460s Highest graded - PSA 3
2 Sweet Caporal 460s Highest graded - PSA 4

2 Marquards with red dash Both have a Sweet Caporal 460 backs. Highest graded - PSA 5


Jantz

[Craig M]

Way to give Kevin some much needed love Jantz

[Jantz]

Since my earlier post, another Net54 member informed me via PM that he recently bought another Marquard "8" with a Sweet Caporal 460 back graded a PSA 5.


Jantz

[thehoodedcoder]

can we get some scans pasted here

when you say red dash what do you mean?

kevin

[Lunker21]

Hey Net54 team... just did a great multi-card trade with a solid dude... he found this on ebay... I love the oddballs... any news on this variation since these entrys? I think its a really cool variation... and only affordable to me in this loved condition... am I reading correctly that this may be #9?

Thanks everyone for tracking oddballs like this!

Cheers,
Craig Martin

[Al C.risafulli]

This was a really frustrating revelation for me, and further evidence that THE HOBBY NEEDS A STANDARD CATALOG, and whichever entity currently owns it and is not publishing it should hand the assets over to the SABR Baseball Card committee so that they can take ownership and resume publishing it. There is currently nowhere to report discoveries like this.

A T206 collector who participates on this board brought this card to LOTG back in 2017, with a number of scans of other examples, and asked if we could help him get the card catalogued, and then sell it for him.

We did a little more research on our own, read Mr. Lemke's writing about it, and then presented all our findings to the Standard Catalog. The Standard Catalog publishers (SCD, at the time) agreed that it was a legit variation and advised me of their plan to begin including it with the 2018 edition of the catalog.

Based on this, PSA agreed to begin recognizing the variation and slabbed the example that we sold (which is linked in one of the posts above).

Of course, the Standard Catalog has not published since 2017, no 2018 version was ever produced, and in the seven years that have elapsed, PSA has not been consistent about slabbing this variation (I know of two examples that were submitted and the variation was not noted, because it was not catalogued).

I wrote about this on our blog one year ago here: https://loveofthegameauctions.com/th...ndard-catalog/

In the meantime, we are about to post about yet another discovery that changes the information in the Standard Catalog. There's nowhere to report these discoveries that dozens of collectors make each year - new errors, variations, new additions to checklists, discoveries about the origins of various sets. There is no longer a single hobby "Bible" that serves as the clearing house for this knowledge, and the hobby is much worse off for it.

Anyway, the "Red 8" is a legit variation.

-Al

[FrankWakefield]

Al is right about an updated Standard Catalog.

I'd like to see an effort somewhere, maybe here, where we could demonstrate some pledge, eventually prepayment, to demonstrate a market exists for a revival of the Standard Catalog.

Obstacles:

is there sufficient demand for a new SC?

who owns rights to the last SC (which would be a starting cornerstone)?

has the cost of printing and distribution of such a voluminous risen to such an extent that the cost of production would be prohibitive?



I'm sure there are more obstacles than these... I want a paper publication, not something online nor on a CD. Some 21st century folk wouldn't want the heavy paper catalog.

Maybe we financially underwrite whoever now "owns" the Standard Catalog to produce a new SC if they are interested. That would be better than buying the rights and then we still don't update and publish because we learn of what obstacles are out there.

Mr. Lemke was a unique gentleman. He and the 21st century were not exactly in step with one another. He had a great ability to focus on details as well as a vast undertaking. And he was a really good guy. We need to find another Bob Lemke. Anyone know someone in the upper echelons of Krause Publishing?

If one is published in the next few years, I'd guess they'll cost between $90 and $120 each...

[Al C.risafulli]

This is something that I actually spent a bunch of time trying to figure out last year. I don't mean to hijack a good thread, and hope this post will keep it on track.

FKW, who owned SCD and the Catalog, declared bankruptcy in 2017. Penguin Random House purchased the book publishing assets of FKW, and Active Interests Media purchased the collectibles magazines. Both publish books and guides on a regular basis that seem to have niche audiences just like our hobby. Nobody seems to know where the Standard Catalog fits, and nobody at either company has responded to me.

Meanwhile, I have spoken with the folks at the SABR Baseball Cards Committee, an organization that already exists and is filled with the type of collectors who devoted time to sending Mr. Lemke updates each year, stands ready to take on this project. As a group they are chock full of researchers, and SABR has a publishing arm that produces outstanding books and guides. They could certainly publish an electronic Catalog that gets updated every year, and a periodic printed book for nerds like me that scour the pages year after year. And most importantly, they've said they'd be thrilled to do it.

It seems silly for them to start from scratch when all the checklists already exist in some sort of electric format. What needs to happen is whichever entity owns the Catalog needs to either resume publishing it, or hand the rights over to SABR.

-Al

[Gorditadogg]

Al, do you have a contact at Penguin and Active? Let me know and I will start contacting them too.

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[steve B]

I've thought about doing a catalog for years, one that has a basic listing for a set then detailed info about variations and print defects.
I was thinking doing it as a looseleaf sort of thing so the entire catalog wouldn't have to be bought, just the sections someone needed.

I sort of did a visual catalog of variations in 49 Leaf, and it's an ongoing thing with a lot of images I don't have the rights to.

I should mock up a section or so and see what people think.