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Hi, I recently picked up this really neat piece from Hunt Auctions. I like unique items like this one as they are not only great displays but are one of a kind, homemade pieces whose origins are not obvious.
Here are some things you should know about this display. It is framed and measures ~23" x 27". As evident from the pictures, the condition is poor and many of the outside pictures are unrecognizable. It is on thin paper with a somewhat stiffer backing that is tearing in certain spots. The players have been cut out and affixed to the thin paper. The players within the inside ring measure ~4" x 1.75" while the players in the outside ring measure ~ 1.75" x 1.5". The writeup in Hunt indicated that the cut outs may have come from Old Judge cards (based on dimension would be N173's). The biggest clue is that the 2 players at the bottom of the picture are wearing a 'Chicago Unions' jersey. A quick google search lead me to this blog where to my surprise there is a picture which is identical to the one in the display piece! The blog identified the players as Chris Fulmer and Abner Powell both of whom played in the short lived (1 year) Union Association in 1884. What's strange is that both Fulmer and Powell show up in a few different references as having played for the Washington Nationals in 1884 not the Chicago Unions. It appears that the Chicago Unions changed location and name in the same year to the Pittsburgh Stogies. Also, Fulmer and Powell were born in Pennsylvania and while this is a stretch, it is possible that all of these players had their roots in PA. Perhaps the picture starts with Fulmer and Powell and progresses clockwise to other PA players later in the 1880s??? I did try to see if any of the other players looked familiar by looking at several Old Judge cards....talk about looking for a needle in haystack! I'm not sure if there's any connection here but here are a few of the players that may be shown....I'm really just picking at straws here.
I plan to head over to a frame shop this week to 1) see if they can carefully remove the backing to identify any more clues and 2) reback the display. If anyone has additional thoughts on player ids or in general, I'd love to hear them. Thanks! Last edited by aquarius31; 06-06-2012 at 06:32 PM. Reason: updated pictures |
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It looks like late 1800's Baltimore team. I see Joe Sommers OJ pose 429-3 far right second row in the cropped pictures you posted. The guy you thought might be Hallman is Oyster Burns (I think).
I'll also add that the center portrait looks like a fake John Clarkson ![]() Last edited by Matthew H; 06-05-2012 at 10:20 PM. |
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I'll also add that the team is probably 1889, since it includes Tom Quinn bottom middle row... I also see John Farrell, far right top row.
It's already a cool piece, but it would be really cool if it turned out to be all die cut n173 Baltimores! Last edited by Matthew H; 06-05-2012 at 11:06 PM. |
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looks like McGraw 3rd from end.
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Wow Matt, I am very impressed!! I was thinking that it would be difficult to even identify 1-2 players maximum so I really appreciate your help! You may be on to something with the Baltimore theme especially given that the each of the identified players appear to have played for the Orioles at some point. And Jeff, appreciate your thoughts here as well since McGraw started his career with the Orioles although the scan that I provided is not good.
I'll take a few updated pictures without glass once I bring to the frame shop and will share any new information here. Thank you! |
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No sweat George. I was interested in that piece when I saw it in Hunts and I'm glad you posted more detailed pics here.
You should pick up a copy of the OJ book if you like 19th century items and don't have one. There's over 2500 photos of these players from the era, and since most of those photos are Goodwin and Co, it wasn't hard to pick out most of the players. The bottom left is Matt Killroy, bottom right is William Whitaker. The player in the middle row far left is another pose of Chris Fulmer, next to him is Joseph Tucker. It's definitely Baltimore. |
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