PSA Miscuts and Consistency

[mintacular]

This card is a straight 6:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1968-Topps-150-B...ht_1697wt_1139

And yet this one gets a MC qualifier, not even a O/C the worst it should be!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...3#ht_500wt_922

Instead of complaining about possible misgrades here, I have a major problem with this, the Brooks gets a MC qualifier apparently the seller did not request "NQ" yet the Clemente gets a decent 6 grade--the seller must have requested as such.

The larger issue at hand is is that you the submitter can ask the TPG to give a "straight" grade even if a card is miscut...If the card is a miscut it is miscut and should be graded as such. The problem with this arrangement is that you have a situation where the Brooks is designated miscut but the Clemente is not...

[glynparson]

Not understanding the problem. The back of the brooks is clearly miscut. There is even a tiny bit of another card at the top of the back. Clemente is way oc but does not look to deserve amiscut qualifier. Cards appear to be absoluyely properly graded by the scans shown.

[philliesphan]

that Robinson got a MC because of the back centering, which is certainly M/C and not simply O/C

[mintacular]

Well, so let's say the Front and Back were miscut you could get the MC qualifier however if just the back is you also get dinged with the the m/c as well? How does that make sense? I think that is illogical. You could have a miscut front and back and get the qualifer and a dead centered front with miscut back yet the card would get the same grade?

Also, the Clemente centering does not meet the standards of a 6 but more importantly, why should the submitter be able to request a NQ? Why should the exact same Clemente be in a 6 or 8/9mc slab? What sense does that make and how is that consistent?

In short, while I can see that the Brooks back has miscut back, actually the larger issue is still relevant...

[glynparson]

Qualifiers should not be excusable, in exchange for a 2 grade downgrade (usually sometimes its harsher than 2 grades). Without a peak i wouldn't bet the centering is outside the standards. It is surprising what they actually measure sometimes. I agree it looks pretty off though, should not be an mc though. I don't get your statement of why it would have to be miscut front and back to get a miscut qualifier? A card doesn't need to be written on front and back to get an mk qualifier. Obviously a card with a perfect front and miscut back will have more value than the other way around. What's wrong with that? All cards with the same grade should not have the exact same value. You are making an eye appeal vs technical grade mistake that i often see when people are complaining about third party grading.

[mintacular]

All cards with the same grade should not have the exact same value.

This is where we part ways....I thought the purpose of TPGs was to quantify a cards' condition...Assuming you are not a purist, any dummy off the street should be able to buy a PSA 6 Clemente cards and expect something within the range of what that card looks like not the possibility of a badly o/c with sharp corners or well-centered card with corner wear...

The ideal TPG would have several dozen characteristics (including a differentiation between a miscut front and back) crunch those #'s and out spurts a grade....Currently, you have otherwise perfect cards with a slight speck of paper loss get a PSA 1 and also that same card run over by a Mac Truck etc with the same PSA 1 grade. While it is fun to buy and exploit that loophole I thought the point of TPGs was to quantify "eye appeal"

[lentel]

If with a t205 if the front in centered but the back of off center to the point where the left border is missing would that get an oc or a regular non qualifier grade? Would t cards be looked at different than something more recent?