Question regarding OLD JUDGE & GOODWIN cards' sources ?

[tedzan]

I was an avid collector of N162's in the 1980's and 1990's. In the process of completing 3.5 sets, I recall acquiring a bunch of these cards
from England. The Englishman selling me these N162's said that they were in his family's collection for 100 years. None of the 8 baseball
cards were in his collection, but mostly all the other 42 sports Champions were. Not unusual, since a good number of the N162 Champions
were international sports figures (e.g. Joe Acton, D'Oro, MacKenzie, Steinitz, Vignaux, Voss, Charles Wood, Zukertort, etc.).

So, as the back of my Old Judge cigarette pack states...."Packed in our Star Tin foil Expressly for Export Trade"....leads me ask how many
of you have acquired Allen & Ginter's, Goodwin's, Kimball's, etc. from original collections outside the USA ?







Thanks Barry Sloate for selling me the 42 (non-baseball) N162's in 1985. That started me on my "love affair" with these Goodwin Champions.


TED Z

[barrysloate]

Back at the old George Washington Motor Lodge in Willow Grove...but probably a bit later than 1985.

[tedzan]

Not at Willow Grove. It was part of one of our larger deals at my home. I am almost sure it was sometime in late 1985.
As I recall in 1986 I showed the N162's to a fellow dealer and he offered me considerably more than I paid you for them.
By then, I had become very attached to them......keeping them was one of my better decisions in this hobby. For as you
know, these Goodwin Champions are my hobby favorites.

TED Z

[E93]

Ted,
I have not bought any from outside of the country that I know of, but I have the same "export" pack that you showed. There are other Old Judge packs that look almost identical that do say they were packed expressly for export. Perhaps only non-baseball were put in the export packs. Or perhaps the family of your English connection just through away the baseball players.
JimB
P.S. I know of people who have picked up N28s from folks in England.




PPS. I am not sure why I can't make this scan bigger.

[autograf]

Have gotten lots of A&G nonsports from across the pond. Typically from Murray or other collectors though. No N162's......beautiful cards though. I understand the Wharton-Tigar collection in England's museum houses NT/MT condition A&G sets.

[rhettyeakley]

I have gotten several A&G, Duke, & Goodwin cards from collectors in both the UK and Australia.

It is also interesting to note that it is obvious that Goodwin targetted Australia specifically w/ its Old Judge brand as I have owned a few of the Aussie "Football" players that are sometimes encountered-one or two came directly from Australian ebay sellers.
-Rhett

[barrysloate]

Ted- I usually defer to your memory, but 1985 still sounds early to me. I think I did buy them at Willow Grove, however.

[uffda51]

Great question. To the best of my knowledge, none of my Allen & Ginter's, Goodwin's, Kimball's, etc. came from outside the U.S. Certainly a lot of card collectors in the U.K., though.