Revisiting the T206 Wagner "strip"

[Doug]

Originally Posted by Al C.risafulli

I think this debate has really been put to bed for quite some time, and I can't understand why it keeps being brought up. It seems less out of a desire for a scholarly debate, and more out of stubbornness. Every logical argument is being illogically refuted or ignored, and I don't understand why.

So maybe some of us are getting a little frayed as a result.

-Al

I was kind of thinking the same thing. It seems like everyone has come to their own conclusion and if they haven't changed their minds by now they probably aren't going to.

[GoSoxBoSox]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I'm a lover, not a fighter.

However, I must say that for Barry to say that Ted was "needlessly attacked" makes me laugh out loud. I was called a "NEWBIE" and looked down upon by Ted immediately when I questioned him. Everytime anybody calls Ted's on his "facts" he cries foul intead of answering the questions with logical observations (because nobody will ever have facts in this particular case). Frank makes ever attempt to push me aside without bringing ANYTHING to the table. He hasn't even held the proof strip to examine it. But, at least Frank doesn't act like what he has seen in scans is "fact". Thank you for that Frank.

Just because you fella's know a thing about me doesn't mean I haven't been around for a long time. Many people here know me regardless of how often I post on N54. I did hold the strip and I did examine it thoroughly. That is the only reason I chimed in. I have posted about my observations and many many people apparently agree with those observations.

The difference between Ted and I, in this case, is that I call what I saw "observations" while he calls them "facts". Also, I try to help answer his issues about the strip while he continually ignores everybodys logical observations that refute his "facts" (post #128, 129, 130, 131, and 136 to name the most recent). That's all.

I find it entertaining when I run into this type of person. He does a little bit of homework and appoints himself the expert. heh

Anyway, I believe our point about Ted's opinion here has been made. I'm done with this now Leon as I'm sure nothing will change if we continue to ask questions. I apologize if this caused a disturbance on your watch.

Tom

[E93]

Originally Posted by Al C.risafulli

I think Tom was sort of written off by Ted as a "newbie" who didn't know what he was talking about, maybe five or six pages ago. As a friend of Tom's, when I read that, it stung. Had it been me, I'd be a little belligerent towards Ted as well.

As an acquaintance of Ted's, I think this debate has really been put to bed for quite some time, and I can't understand why it keeps being brought up. It seems less out of a desire for a scholarly debate, and more out of stubbornness. Every logical argument is being illogically refuted or ignored, and I don't understand why.

So maybe some of us are getting a little frayed as a result.

-Al

+1

[barrysloate]

Tom- sorry then for that. This thread is already too long for me to remember posts made several days ago (or whenever). I didn't realize you and Ted were already at it. I apologize for it.

[GoSoxBoSox]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Tom- sorry then for that. This thread is already too long for me to remember posts made several days ago (or whenever). I didn't realize you and Ted were already at it. I apologize for it.

No problem at all Barry. I certainly understand.

[Leon]

Hey Tom
I do agree with you. My good friend Ted (hey Ted) sometimes does feel he is being attacked when someone is only trying to have a civil debate and not agreeing with him. I like Ted a lot and he is one of the best hosts a guy could have, while said guy is freeloading at his house . Barry and wife were great hosts too, again as I was freeloading at their abode. Basically I just go from city to city freeloading and staying at board member's houses. I just need to find a place that will accept me, my wife and my soon to be 14 yr old, and I will have it made .

But getting back to the strip debate I am glad some good info has come out and the post(s) about the printing processes are extremely good. After reading everything in this thread I am in the "single strip" camp.

I hope everyone will continue to post, be civil and debate our little gems. That is what this board is best for...and I might add has more collective knowledge about vintage cards on it than anywhere else I can think of. best regards

[barrysloate]

Never freeloading, always welcome back.