Black Swamp Find E98 set break

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by rats60

How much of this is because of who auctioned it off and how little it was promoted. Heritage made a big deal when they sold these cards. Do you think they would have brought more eyes to the resale? What about REA? Their auctions seem to always bring big bucks. Several people must have been bidding to get the Wagner up to 300k. Where are the underbidders or new investment blood? Did they even know the card was up for sale again?

Absolutely +1. The size of the auction, the number of target collectors they reach and the marketing are prime factors in the $$$ they bring at auction sale.

Regards,

Larry

[mantleman]

Just curious. Do you think if the find was not advertised and they submitted a lone Wagner (which turned out to be a 10), do you think it would have been graded or deemed fake, given they did not have the back story or others from the same find to compare to.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by mantleman

Just curious. Do you think if the find was not advertised and they submitted a lone Wagner (which turned out to be a 10), do you think it would have been graded or deemed fake, given they did not have the back story or others from the same find to compare to.

I’m gonna say graded. Having held a few of these in recent months I can say without hesitation that these are the real deal. They don’t scream “fake” at you when you hold them - they scream “Glorious!”

[mantleman]

Ok thanks. Haven't held any myself but just going off what some people say here are suspicious cards or suspicious find.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by mantleman

Ok thanks. Haven't held any myself but just going off what some people say here are suspicious cards or suspicious find.

The only thing I’m suspicious of are the population reports.

[CMIZ5290]

A lot of these cards to me were very over graded, and mostly SGC graded.... These so called "finds" appear to be getting more common place in the hobby for whatever reason....Amazing how they didn't appear for 75 years or so until lately....

[Republicaninmass]

I don't remember seeing so many, so mis cut, as the ones from the find. Most Terribly oc as well.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

A lot of these cards to me were very over graded, and mostly SGC graded.... These so called "finds" appear to be getting more common place in the hobby for whatever reason....Amazing how they didn't appear for 75 years or so until lately....

There is no conspiracy. They get found when they get found. There are fewer as time goes but we have a long ways to go, imo. There will be a lot more finds in the next 50 yrs....
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[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

There is no conspiracy. They get found when they get found.

+1

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

+1

But they get released when they get released


Ie lucky 7...er 8 Cobbs

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

But they get released when they get released


Ie lucky 7...er 8 Cobbs

Yes, exactly. Totally agree with this, too. And it's highly predictable. If I found a windfall of something in my grandpappies estate, I might sell 99 of the 100 pieces -- but keep 1 for myself as a memento.... until I decided to sell that one, too.

[T206Collector]

There are a number of high grade E98s in the latest REA auction with no BSF designation. Either these were cracked & crossed/resubmitted -- or they were submitted from grading outside of the initial BSF find. I guess the world will never know!

Bender Red PSA 9
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=49167

Wagner Green SGC 86
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=49168

[Leon]

There was at least one very high grade set owned by a member who doesn't post a lot. Could be his?

[T206Collector]

The Black Swamp Find made a significant appearance in the April 19 Heritage Auction, which ended last night. For those folks wondering whether the provenance of that collection still carries any cachet, consider the following:

A PSA 1.5 Jennings Red, horribly off-center, and with an actual tear in the border, sold for $1,560, because it was the only version of Jennings found in Black Swamp six years ago:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515

The same auction also featured a very clean PSA 5 Jennings Red, well-centered, with no tears, and it it sold for just a tic above at $1,680:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515

Collectors are plainly paying for the provenance. Which one would you rather have?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I can't imagine why on earth you would want the clearly inferior card. Who cares where it was found, or who owned it previously.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I can't imagine why on earth you would want the clearly inferior card. Who cares where it was found, or who owned it previously.

The one on the left has a “pack fresh” look to it, the one on the right is centered. Its all about preference, “clearly inferior card” is subjective. Some collectors may think you’re talking about the right card, some might think you’re talking about the left.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I can't imagine why on earth you would want the clearly inferior card. Who cares where it was found, or who owned it previously.

I agree...BUT...if one is looking to put together a BSF set...this is the only option!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

The one on the left has a “pack fresh” look to it, the one on the right is centered. Its all about preference, “clearly inferior card” is subjective. Some collectors may think you’re talking about the right card, some might think you’re talking about the left.

the one on the left has a TEAR in it. To me that leaves subjectivity behind and becomes pretty objective.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I agree...BUT...if one is looking to put together a BSF set...this is the only option!

Kind of my point though. Why would one care about a BSF set? It's an artificial distinction.

[ullmandds]

Because people like shit that has been in the public Eye like this find was...so they can brag to their friends.

When I bought the Red Cross T207 Loudermilk I loved telling everyone it was on the antiques roadshow!!

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Because people like shit that has been in the public Eye like this find was...so they can brag to their friends.

When I bought the Red Cross T207 Loudermilk I loved telling everyone it was on the antiques roadshow!!

Same with me. When I picked up some Lajoie Game Cards a few years back that the seller indicated he had found while dumpster diving, I came on Net54 and showed them off too.

Brian

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Because people like shit that has been in the public Eye like this find was...so they can brag to their friends.

When I bought the Red Cross T207 Loudermilk I loved telling everyone it was on the antiques roadshow!!

This is exactly right. Any designation on a TPG is a trophy of sorts for many

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

This is exactly right. Any designation on a TPG is a trophy of sorts for many

I think it has to be a famous find — one that captures the imagination and attention of the hobby.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I think it has to be a famous find — one that captures the imagination and attention of the hobby.

I think the key is it attracts people outside of the hobby as well...because it's headline news.

[Leon]

Usually the bigger the monetary figure, of the find, the more interest there is. It's human nature.

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I think the key is it attracts people outside of the hobby as well...because it's headline news.