SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?

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Posted By: judson hamlin

There's a Sweet Cap 350 f.30 with an apparent mark at Mike Wheat's to add to the survey.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Four more inputs.....

Judd's two inputs.....

Piedmont 350......No Mark
Sweet Cap 350....Mark

Two emailed inputs.....

Sweet Cap 350....No Mark
Polar Bear...........No Mark

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

UPDATED......6/22/07

T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........22

Sweet Cap 350......3.........20

Polar Bear.............2.........11

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Old Mill..................1..........1

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........0
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Totals.................13..........57



With 70 cards reported, we are still short of a reasonable random sample......I'd like to see
approx. 100 inputs of this card. Then, I will feel more confident that we have a better idea
of the relative scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".

So, keep those inputs rolling in....we are sliding into 3rd base....and, we still have 90 ft. to
go to score a Run.

Thanks for taking the time to look through your T206 cards.

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Two more inputs....both Sweet Cap 350 cards....No Mark on them.

Raises the total to 72 inputs.

Thanks everyone,

TED Z

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Posted By: Scott B.

So, what kind of conclusion can we draw on this "dot variation"???

If that "dot" was a remnant mark of the removal of the word "Nat'l", does it means the infamous N.Y. Nat'l Doyle can be found in SC, PB and OM backs as well?

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

SCOTT B

1st.....With the moderate sampling, so far, in this survey we can conclude that this "printer's mark" appears
on an average of 1 out of every 5.5 Joe Doyle cards.....and, is independent of T-brand.

2nd.....The "Nat'l" lettering on the few known Joe Doyle error cards (approx. 10 known to date) are exclusively
on cards with PIEDMONT 350 backs. And, this fact will never change as T206 guys printed the Piedmont brand
first on all the press runs. And, since they caught this error very quickly, it did not get printed with any sub-
sequent T-brand.

3rd.....If our assumption is correct, that this mark is the remnant of the "N" from "Nat'l" (that was hastily re-
moved); then we can also assume that on the 3rd press run thay cleanly removed any remnant of their initial
mistake. As the majority of the cards indicate.

But, the real question is....if they went thru all these corrections, why didn't they add "Amer." next to N.Y. ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

UPDATED......6/28/07

T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........22

Sweet Cap 350......4.........23

Polar Bear.............2.........12

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Old Mill..................1..........1

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........0
____________________________

Totals.................14..........61



With 75 cards reported, we are approaching a reasonable random sample......I'd like to see
approx. 100 inputs of this card. Then, I will feel more confident that we have a better idea
of the relative scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".

So, keep those inputs rolling in....we are now safe on 3rd base....and, only 90 ft. away from
scoring a Run.

Thanks for taking the time to look through your T206 cards......and, we are still looking for
that Joe Doyle with an EPDG back (that the POP report says exists) ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Three more inputs from Net54 "readers" to report.

Two "No-Mark" Doyle cards.....a Sweet Caporal 350 and a Polar Bear.

One Doyle card with the "Mark".....a Sweet Caporal 350.

These 3 inputs have been tallied into the prior Updated survey.

Thanks guys,

TED Z

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Posted By: Scott Levy

One more for ya....

Doyle with mark - Old Mill (psa 4)

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

SCOTT L

The Old Mill Joe Doyle that you are reporting.....does it happen to be the one that just sold on
ebay this past week (lot #290130244677) ?

I ask, because the info on that particular card was emailed to me 10 days ago. And, I doing my
darn-dest to keep all inputs unique.

TED Z

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Posted By: Scott

Wow....you guys are 10 steps ahead of me. It's the same card (my dad just bought it off eBay)....so don't count it in your stats.

Regards,
SGL

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Thanks for confirming my thoughts on the Joe Doyle with the Old Mill back.

It seemed too coincidental that a 2nd one was exactly like the one that had been reported earlier.

TED Z

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Posted By: MVSNYC

ted- i visited Scott & his dad last night (who have an amzaing collection by the way) and i saw the Old Mill "mark" example...it is subtle, but very cool, nonetheless. kudos to you for "discovering" this variation, it could really become something big.

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

You stated:

June 25 2007, 12:46 PM
"2nd.....The "Nat'l" lettering on the few known Joe Doyle error cards (approx. 10 known to date)"

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Ten is a rather high number.

Are you able to elaborate on that number, or are you just throwing it out there?

Joe

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

MVSNYC

Thanks for the nice words, I really appreciate them. That very card of Joe Doyle with the Old Mill back and
the printer's Mark was the 1st one I've ever seen advertised on ebay stating that it has the printer's Mark.

That card was reported to me about 12 days ago.
And, it's nice to see that a Net54 member won it.

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

JOE P

I said "approximately 10".......I can name 8, and I've heard of a possible 9th.

I don't give out names on this board.

Other reports in the hobby have said as many as 12.

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

UPDATED......7/7/07.......two more inputs (both Sweet Cap 350 - no marks)

T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........22

Sweet Cap 350......4.........25

Polar Bear.............2.........12

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Old Mill..................1..........1

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........0
____________________________

Totals.................14..........63



With 77 cards reported, we are approaching a reasonable random sample......I'd like to see
approx. 100 inputs of this card. Then, I will feel more confident that we have a better idea
of the relative scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".


Thanks, for looking thru your T206 cards; and, are there anymore Joe Doyle's in Net54-land ?

And, does anyone have a Joe Doyle with an EPDG back ?
The POP report says it exists....I have never seen one.

TED Z

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

"JOE P

"I said "approximately 10".......I can name 8, and I've heard of a possible 9th.

I don't give out names on this board.

Other reports in the hobby have said as many as 12."."

TED Z

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OK, You don't have to tell the board.

Being that I own the third known Doyle, and being that I once had in my possession two of Dr Koos doctored Doyles ... I've been researching the good and the bad DOYLE's since day 1.

How about sending me the names to compare notes?

You also say that other reports in the hobby, have said as many as 12.

Give us the link to those reports.

I've been researching the Doyle error card since 1987.

You just got turned on to the Doyle one year and a half ago.

The debate you had with Barry Sloat in 2005 is proof of that.

If you want to work with me ... fine.

If you rather side step this ... I WILL UNDERSTAND.

Because, if I see a red flag that's brought on by my research, I will raise that red flag to the top of the mast.

My research since 1987, is NOT based on speculations, suppositions, assumptions or theories.

It's based on happenings and people ... the opposite to the above.

Now this could be a continuation to the 1990 Texas national.
Where Mark Macrae and I wasted our time trying to educate the dealers at that show.
The first one was a dealer from Denver, that for hours refused to believe that he bought a bum Magie, created by Dr Koos, from a dealer from Flint MI at the Texas show.
He got his money back, but what a waste of time.
Before the Texas national, I had already gotten my money back from Dr Koos.
Do to the research i did on him, he saw the wisdom of playing ball with me.
Mark Macrae and I, with the support of Lipset, L. Fritsch, Herman Kaufman, John Tisch and Lemke, went to Texas to warn the business end of the hobby about a malignant growth by the name of Dr Koos, Danny Dubchek.

I gave them his name.
I gave them his MO.
I told them what to look for, without telling all.
No sense telling the Dr how to correct what to look for.
I tried to convince them to go after him, because he wasn't going anywhere.

To make a long story short, the business end was more interested in the Kit Young annual February shindig in Hawaii than fighting off a growing malignant growth in the hobby.
The rest is history, Dr Koos had a ball at the expense of the collectors.

I fought for mine, and got it back. ... But that's me.

Ted, you can start by giving us the link to the other reports in the hobby that have said as many as 12 Doyle's.

There's nothing worse for a researcher than misinformation.
To a brainpicker, it means nothing.

Or you can step away ... Like Texas.


Joe

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

JOE

At times you come across as very confrontational. And, this is turning-off people on this board. It is not
the same friendly, conversational Joe.....that I remember talking with at Willow Grove or Ft. Washington
for hours at a time. You have to tone it it down, Joe.

Regarding the....."Other reports in the hobby have said as many as 12".....Joe Doyle error cards......
I heard this from a collector, recently at the Reading Show, who tracks the so-called "POP reports".
So, you might want to check that out. I don't recall whether it was the PSA or SGC report. I do not
follow that stuff.....anyhow, I think that figure is inaccurate.

TED Z

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

Heard it from a collector at the Reading show???

Pop Report???

Ted, I've been researching the Doyle for twenty years.
I know how you feel about slabs and Pop REPORTS.

We feel the same way.

THIS FORUM IS JUST DISCOVERING THAT THE GRADING SYSTEM MIGHT BE BROKEN.

At 76 I don't have much time to play footsies with others.
Then again, at sixteen, I didn't play footsies either, but I was a little bit more diplomatic. ... Time plus time equals time.

I find your current digging into the micro portion of N. Y. Nat'l very interesting.

Joe D. of the second generation printing Joe D's nailed it with his summation.

The sad part is:

ANYTIME, and I mean anytime, that misinformation of hearsay is passed along as part of the digging, IT WILL UNDERMINE THE CONCERTED EFFORTS OF A GOOD DIG.

In other words, YOU ARE DEFEATING YOUR PURPOSE, by just tossing around a word, or a number just because it sounds good, and saying ... "I didn't say it, someone at the Reading show said it."

Sorry Ted.
It sounds like the 1990 Texas national all over again.

If any of you have any questions about that.
Just ask Mark Macrae.

We wasted our time in Texas.
I could have been looking for cards for my collection.

Do you really think the grading system is broken?

NAH!

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

JOE

Say something.....POSITIVE.....without qualifying it ! !

Surprise us.


And Joe.....
You stated...."I've been researching the Doyle for twenty years."

Then, how come you didn't notice this "printer's mark".....before I did ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

Pennsylvania Ted:

"JOE

"Say something.....POSITIVE.....without qualifying it ! !

Surprise us.


And Joe.....
You stated...."I've been researching the Doyle for twenty years."

Then, how come you didn't notice this "printer's mark".....before I did ?"

TED Z

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1. I'll gladly qualify whatever you want me to qualify.

2. To question number two.

About your earth shaking discovery of the printers mark.
It might be difficult for your Bowmen mindset to recall, but it took from 1909 till 1980 for someone like Fritsch to come across
the Slow Joe Doyle error.
Therefore, I will apologize for not spotting the dot on a card during my 20 years of research on the Doyle error.
BTW, how many dots have you come up with?
For someone that just discovered the Doyle error, you do pretty good work.
Unfortunately, you undermine, and defeat all that work, by inserting some misinformation with it.

Misinformation, is the worse possible ingredient to a researcher.
It can sidetrack, their research.
Now, are you going to work with me on the 6-7-8 or 9 names of the GOOD known Doyles that according to YOU have been found?


Or, like the dealers of the 1990 Texas national, do nothing, and let the collectors fend for themselves.

Your move Ted.

Joe Pelaez

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Posted By: Zinn

Check.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Finally......a Joe Doyle with an El Principe de Gales back.....No Mark

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

UPDATED......7/16/07

T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........24

Sweet Cap 350......4.........25

Polar Bear.............2.........12

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Old Mill..................1..........1

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........1
____________________________

Totals.................14..........66



With 80 cards reported, we are approaching a reasonable random sample......I'd like to see
approx. 100 inputs of this card. Then, I will feel more confident that we have a better idea
of the relative scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".


Thanks, for looking thru your T206 cards; and, are there anymore Joe Doyle's in Net54-land ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Two emails, each reporting a Joe Doyle with No Mark (both with Piedmont 350 backs).

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

UPDATED......7/17/07......Sweet Cap on ebay (no mark)

T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........24

Sweet Cap 350......4.........26

Polar Bear.............2.........12

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Old Mill..................1..........1

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........1
____________________________

Totals.................14..........67



With 81 cards reported, we are approaching a reasonable random sample......I'd like to see
approx. 100 inputs of this card. Then, I will feel more confident that we have a better idea
of the relative scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".


Come on Net54er's....need only 19 more of your Joe Doyle cards to reach the goal of 100....
show or tell us about yours ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Just returned from the National and the Cooperstown Shows.

Met a good number of Net54er's and had a lot of fun.

Looked over 600 - T206's and only found 5 - Joe Doyle's....

Two with Piedmont 350 backs and 3 having Sweet Cap 350 backs.....none had the Printer's Mark

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

UPDATED........Aug 4th 2007

T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........26

Sweet Cap 350......4.........29

Polar Bear.............2.........12

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Old Mill..................1..........1

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........1
____________________________

Totals.................14..........72



With 86 cards reported, we are approaching a reasonable random sample......I'd like to see
approx. 100 inputs of this card. Then, I will feel more confident that we have a better idea
of the relative scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".


Come on Net54er's....need only 14 more of your Joe Doyle cards to reach the goal of 100....
show or tell us about yours ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Rick McQuillan

This thread has been very interesting. So it looks like the extra dot cards are 5 times scarcer than the other Doyles. Will this have an impact on price? Will the extra dot cards be 5 times the price of the other Doyles, or will they carry a small premium, or does anyone really care enough about the difference to pay extra for this card? Will this be added to the T206 checklist? Will PSA put the "extra dot" version on their flip? Have the "extra dot" versions already sold for higher prices on ebay? I noticed that the Doyle extra dot card on Mike Wheat's website is already gone.

I have enjoyed watching this thread develop during the last two months, and it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Do we have an idea of how many Doyle's are out there? 100's? 1000's? And if 15% of these have the extra dots can we get an idea of how many variations are out there? Are they more rare than the Elberfeld Washington Portrait or Demmitt St. Louis cards?

As usual, I have lots of questions and no answers. Hopefully the T206 experts can answer some of these questions.

Thanks!
Rick

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

Tune in tomorrow..........

Same time ........

Same station............

For the adventures of the Doyle variation Dots............

Without the dot in your life, you have a Doyle error....

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Posted By: bill latzko

I have 2 without the dot--Don't know the back since they are in my safe box bill

Out of Iraq NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

RICK

I don't think there are many T206 collectors that care about this "printer's mark". Most trying to complete this set are just happy
to find a Joe Doyle. And, the reasons this card is tough to find are well-known.

Recently, a "reader" of this forum did advertise "the dot" when he listed on ebay a Joe Doyle (with an Old Mill back that was graded
either a "4" or a "5"); and, he sold it for about $800. Whether the "dot" made an impact on the selling price is anyone's guess.

I did not initiate this thread to establish some monetary value on this strange variation of the Joe Doyle card....but to inform and to
stir up some thought-provoking conversation. As, my understanding was that very few T206 collectors were aware of this printer's
mark and the possible significance that it may imply.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

BILL L

Thanks for your two inputs....but, I need their back info ?

Meanwhile, two emails reported Joe Doyle cards....one with a Polar Bear back and a 2nd with a Sweet Cap 350 back....No Mark on either.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

UPDATED............Aug 9, 2007


T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........26

Sweet Cap 350......4.........30

Polar Bear.............2.........13

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Old Mill..................1..........1

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........1

Unknown back........0...........2
____________________________

Totals.................14..........76



With 90 cards reported, we have a reasonable random sample. At this point, I would say we have a better idea of the relative
scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".


This will be the last go around on this Survey, so Net54er's, check-out your Joe Doyle cards and show or tell us about yours ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

Side stepping the source of the 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 assumed Slow Joe Doyle error cards.

Ted, you are a continuation of the Texas national.
They did nothing to defend their business, and the collectors.

Your contribution, is mixing in some misinformation, with your interesting survey. ... what a waste, and what a defeat of purpose.

Joe

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Joe "the Parrot" Palaez

You keep repeating the same old "mumble-jumble" that no one here understands or cares to
hear about. Your NEGATIVITY adds nothing to this forum....so get the hell off my thread.

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

Passing on sourceless misinformation, is a positive practice???

Because that's what you're doing.

Enough with the assumptions - speculations - suppositions and Teddie theories. ... give us some facts.
Every time some one asks for the facts, you run and hide.

You are so in love with theories, that you try to create a mystery, where there's no mystery to be had.

Go ahead, keep throwing sourceless numbers around.
All you;re doing is creating a new batch of newbies with numerical misinformation.

If that's your aim ... GO FOR IT.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

JOE P

Yes, I have come up with a lot of theories over the 30+ years that I have been in this hobby (as an adult).
Many of these theories have been proven true. At least I have the intellectual curiosity to delve into cer-
tain aspects of this hobby, that are puzzling to collectors.

Now, regarding your incessant "crowing" about how many "real" Joe Doyle error cards exist....Mark Macrae
and I discussed this subject at length while we shared a table in Cleveland, recently.
And, we think there are 5 to 6 Joe Doyle's that are positively confirmed and 2 - 4 that....although they have
been professionally graded.....can possibly be "altered ones". I am not a fan of graded cards; however, since
these additional 4 cards have been graded....until proven otherwise, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Two more reported Joe Doyle cards.......both with Sweet Cap 350 backs....neither with Marks.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

UPDATED............Aug 19, 2007


T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........26

Sweet Cap 350......4.........32

Polar Bear.............2.........13

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Old Mill..................1..........1

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........1

Unknown back........0...........2
____________________________

Totals.................14..........78



With 92 cards reported, we have a reasonable random sample. At this point, I would say we have a better idea of the relative
scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".

To date, if we can consider this survey as being representative, the Printer's Mark appears on only 15% of the Joe Doyle cards.

If there are any more unreported Joe Doyle's out there.....please post them here ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Ralph

Could this dot card be a error in which led to the fixing of the card? I would think it could be a logical assumption,just my two cents

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

UPDATED........Aug 27, 2007......4 new inputs reported No Mark (Piedmont, Polar Bear and 2-Sweet Caps.)


T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........27

Sweet Cap 350......4.........34

Polar Bear.............2.........14

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Old Mill..................1..........1

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........1

Unknown back........0...........2
____________________________

Totals.................14..........82



With 96 cards reported, we have a reasonable random sample. At this point, I would say we have a better idea of the relative
scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".

To date, if we can consider this survey as being representative, the Printer's Mark appears on only 14% of the Joe Doyle cards.....
or, on an average of 1 out of every 7 cards of Joe Doyle.

If there are any more unreported Joe Doyle's out there.....please post them here ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Two more Joe Doyle inputs.....

Old Mill....No Mark

Piedmont....No Mark



Only two more needed to attain a sample of 100 different cards....your inputs are appreciated.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

UPDATED........Sept 7, 2007......3 new inputs reported No Mark (Old Mill, Piedmont, Polar Bear)


T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........28

Sweet Cap 350......4.........34

Polar Bear.............2.........15

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Old Mill..................1..........2

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........1

Unknown back........0...........2
____________________________

Totals.................14..........85



With 99 cards reported, we have a reasonable random sample. At this point, I would say we have a better idea of the relative
scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".

To date, if we can consider this survey as being representative, the Printer's Mark appears on only 14% of the Joe Doyle cards.....
or, on an average of 1 out of every 7 cards of Joe Doyle.

If there are any more unreported Joe Doyle's out there.....please post them here ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Well we finally hit the 100+ mark and I run this thread up the flag pole one more time.

UPDATED........Sept 23, 2007......5 new inputs reported No Mark (2-Old Mill, Polar Bear, 2-Sweet Cap 350)


T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........28

Sweet Cap 350......4.........36

Polar Bear.............2.........16

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Old Mill..................1..........4

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........1

Unknown back........0...........2
____________________________

Totals.................14..........90



With 104 cards reported, we have a reasonable random sample. At this point, I would say we have a better idea of the relative
scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".

To date, if we can consider this survey as being representative, the Printer's Mark appears on only 13% of the Joe Doyle cards.....
or, on an average of 1 out of every 7.5 cards of Joe Doyle.

If there are any more unreported Joe Doyle's out there.....please post them here ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Well we finally hit the 100+ mark and I run this thread up the flag pole one more time.

UPDATED....Sept 25, 2007....4 new inputs reported....No Mark (Old Mill, Piedmont 350, Polar Bear, Sweet Cap 350)


T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........7.........29

Sweet Cap 350......4.........37

Polar Bear.............2.........17

Tolstoi..................0..........1

Old Mill..................1..........5

Sovereign 350........0...........2

EPDG....................0...........1

Unknown back........0...........2
____________________________

Totals.................14..........94



With 108 cards reported, we have a reasonable random sample. At this point, I would say we have a better idea of the relative
scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".

To date, if we can consider this survey as being representative, the Printer's Mark appears on only 13% of the Joe Doyle cards.....
or, on an average of 1 out of every 7.5 cards of Joe Doyle.

If there are any more unreported Joe Doyle's out there.....please post them here ?

TED Z

[nodgrass]

T206 Joe Doyle Nevada variation found. I am going to quit my job on Monday!

[ethicsprof]

unfortunately, yours is not the rare Nevada variation but instead the very common Naamloze Vennootschap--the Dutch variation for LLCs.

nice card, though

best,
barry

[nodgrass]

Thank you for clarifying. It's still a variation though, and I am rich...right?