American Greed-CNBC

[brooklynbaseball]

Tonight at 10pm et American Greed focuses on Bill Mastro. Should be interesting.

[Sean]

This is the third thread on this subject today. Seems like a popular topic.

[ullmandds]

i wish i had cable tv!

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by brooklynbaseball

Tonight at 10pm et American Greed focuses on Bill Mastro. Should be interesting.

Thanks for posting this, even if others have I didn't see it before now. I'll be watching for sure.

[Leon]

I hear it is channel 355 (CNBC as mentioned) on Direct TV....can't wait...

[Stonepony]

I'm seated and ready

[irv]

If any CDN's know what channel this is on, I'd appreciate the info, but I think I/we am SOL, sadly.

[irv]

Originally Posted by irv

If any CDN's know what channel this is on, I'd appreciate the info, but I think I/we am SOL, sadly.

Just received a PM. Channel 79 here in Oshawa with Rogers cable.

[RedsFan1941]

There should be a rule: If you own a 1933 Goudey Lajoie, you have to be able to pronounce his name correctly.

[timzcardz]

Was just flipping through channels and found it on now!

[Bobsbats]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

There should be a rule: If you own a 1933 Goudey Lajoie, you have to be able to pronounce his name correctly.

Absolutely Correct !!!

[vintagerookies51]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

There should be a rule: If you own a 1933 Goudey Lajoie, you have to be able to pronounce his name correctly.

And also not claim that it's the 2nd rarest card out there. Half the members on this board probably have something rarer

[Jacklitsch]

Lots of interesting facts coming out. Things I was unaware of...my bad.

[kmac32]

Fascinating to quote Mr. Spock

[mechanicalman]

Can anyone explain the Goudey Ruth 53 initially in a low grade SGC and then in a PSA 6? What was the story behind that?

[Mdmtx]

The guy that paid 500 bucks for a box of cards from an unknowledgable seller is just as bad in my opinion.

Mark

[CrackaJackKid]

I hope Brent and Betsy at PWCC are watching!

[ngnichols]

Haven't seen anything I wasn't already aware of that had happened or is currently happening with auction houses that are on eBay right now.

[orly57]

Poor guy who made only 49k on his $500 garage sale purchase. I'm sure he went back to the guy he bought them from and said "I ripped you off. Here is 24k." He's whining about getting ripped off when he raped the guy for $500. Can't say I felt for him. I will say that I would kill for that Dihigo postcard Ryan has.

[Joshwesley]

Isn't lichtman on this site?

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Can anyone explain the Goudey Ruth 53 initially in a low grade SGC and then in a PSA 6? What was the story behind that?

Totally agree here. Interesting that PSA substantially upgrades an SGC graded Ruth for Mastro. Especially when any SGC card submitted to PSA now would get a downward adjustment. Yet PSA cards bring a premium over SGC? Not that SGC is better than PSA (or BVG), or vice versa, but man.....

[Bobsbats]

Nice job Jeff and Ryan !! Tonight's show was informative
and remembering watching the FBI floating around the Nationals was always fun.

[Orioles1954]

I know Ryan and can vouch for his character. He came off very well tonight. The show didn't seem cohesive or very well put together. The Evers fellow added nothing to the program in my opinion.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Joshwesley

Isn't lichtman on this site?

Yes, and irrespective of whatever his detractors want to say, Jeff was one of, if not the first, people to call Mastro and Allen out He gets lots of credit from me for that. Ryan Christoff is also a member and he also deserves a ton of credit. Fair is fair.

Kenny

[Bkrum]

His whole story came off very poorly. He rips off a guy at a garage sale and the cries that he got ripped off by poor auction result to the tune of a 45k profit. His story about the "pristine" Aaron rookie was comical. The only interesting part was the potential evidence of the Ruth being resold by Mastro at a higher grade.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by Bkrum

His whole story came off very poorly. He rips off a guy at a garage sale and the cries that he got ripped off by poor auction result to the tune of a 45k profit. His story about the "pristine" Aaron rookie was comical. The only interesting part was the potential evidence of the Ruth being resold by Mastro at a higher grade.

It could have easily been sold, shipped, reholdered and reconsigned.

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by orly57

Poor guy who made only 49k on his $500 garage sale purchase. I'm sure he went back to the guy he bought them from and said "I ripped you off. Here is 24k." He's whining about getting ripped off when he raped the guy for $500. Can't say I felt for him. I will say that I would kill for that Dihigo postcard Ryan has.

+1

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Bkrum

His whole story came off very poorly. He rips off a guy at a garage sale and the cries that he got ripped off by poor auction result to the tune of a 45k profit. His story about the "pristine" Aaron rookie was comical. The only interesting part was the potential evidence of the Ruth being resold by Mastro at a higher grade.

I presume that you are only talking about the one guy on the show. Because for those of us who repeatedly bid in Mastro's fixed auctions and won, at least for me, the whole story once again makes my blood boil.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

I presume that you are only talking about the one guy on the show. Because for those of us who repeatedly bid in Mastro's fixed auctions and won, at least for me, the whole story once again makes my blood boil.

The title of his post was Evers so I am presuming that's who he was referring to.

[Bkrum]

Yes I was only referring to the Evers part of the story

[Jeffrompa]

How pathetic !

[vintagerookies51]

I'm apparently in the minority in not caring what Evers paid for that box of cards. If his story is true (very well could be a lie), then he offered the guy $500 just by looking at 4 cards. The seller must've been happy with it if he accepted right away. Either way it was a deal... but a major auction house stealing some of the cards from his group and advertising it poorly so they could buy it? That's flat out fraud. And that story about the Elvis hair... wow I had never heard about that but that's just stupid. Imagine if Goldin, REA, or Heritage was doing something like that

[clydepepper]

Sounds to me like we are all both victims and victors in the world Mastro created.


I wonder if we would be as interested in the hobby if the money wasn't there.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by vintagerookies51

I'm apparently in the minority in not caring what Evers paid for that box of cards. If his story is true (very well could be a lie), then he offered the guy $500 just by looking at 4 cards. The seller must've been happy with it if he accepted right away. Either way it was a deal... but a major auction house stealing some of the cards from his group and advertising it poorly so they could buy it? That's flat out fraud. And that story about the Elvis hair... wow I had never heard about that but that's just stupid. Imagine if Goldin, REA, or Heritage was doing something like that

No one is saying he defrauded the guy. He just didn't paint a sympathetic figure. A guy whining about getting ripped off when he made nearly 50k by essentially ripping off someone is almost as obnoxious as his pronunciation of "Lajoie."

[vintagerookies51]

Originally Posted by orly57

No one is saying he defrauded the guy. He just didn't paint a sympathetic figure. A guy whining about getting ripped off when he made nearly 50k by essentially ripping off someone is almost as obnoxious as his pronunciation of "Lajoie."

I would be willing to bet that, if any members were in the same situation, they'd be pretty upset too. But yeah, 49K from $500 is not a bad return!

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by orly57

No one is saying he defrauded the guy. He just didn't paint a sympathetic figure. A guy whining about getting ripped off when he made nearly 50k by essentially ripping off someone is almost as obnoxious as his pronunciation of "Lajoie."

Plus he didn't sound very knowledgable about the industry and his story didn't make sense. How can he be pissed with Mastro when it was SGC who graded his cards? What cards were missing? Ryan did really well and Jeff appeared far more reserved than I perceived him.

[Jeffrompa]

My BS meter was working overtime every time he spoke . I can't believe his garage sale story . Who knows ? Again that's what greed does to us I guess .

[vintagerookies51]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

Plus he didn't sound very knowledgable about the industry and his story didn't make sense. How can he be pissed with Mastro when it was SGC who graded his cards? What cards were missing? Ryan did really well and Jeff appeared far more reserved than I perceived him.

Agreed. The guy said the Lajoie was the second rarest of all baseball cards but didn't he say that Mastro didn't even include the Lajoie and several other cards in the listing? Or were they just not shown off as much as he would have liked... he wasn't very clear on that

[bnorth]

Does anybody know if this can be seen online? Got a link?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by vintagerookies51

I'm apparently in the minority in not caring what Evers paid for that box of cards. If his story is true (very well could be a lie), then he offered the guy $500 just by looking at 4 cards. The seller must've been happy with it if he accepted right away. Either way it was a deal... but a major auction house stealing some of the cards from his group and advertising it poorly so they could buy it? That's flat out fraud. And that story about the Elvis hair... wow I had never heard about that but that's just stupid. Imagine if Goldin, REA, or Heritage was doing something like that

I am with you, I don't care what someone paid for cards. Isn't the Evers gentleman a member here. I remember someone posting a very similar story on here about Mastro ripping them off in the same way.

[TakingStock]

Originally Posted by vintagerookies51

Agreed. The guy said the Lajoie was the second rarest of all baseball cards but didn't he say that Mastro didn't even include the Lajoie and several other cards in the listing? Or were they just not shown off as much as he would have liked... he wasn't very clear on that

My interpretation was that Mastro Auctions intentionally omitted listing out the exact cards received on the auction agreement (the cards that he brought to their offices in person) and basically stole them from him by never listing them in the auction he was a part of thereby cutting the gentlemen out of cards he consigned but were never recorded.

[timzcardz]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Does anybody know if this can be seen online? Got a link?

http://www.cnbc.com/live-tv/american.../1029670979712

[olrac44]

I'd have to go see if I still had that Catalog from 2007 but again this gentleman is talking as if his cards were MINT like so many other people tend to do with their own RAW cards. Plus someone couldn't have bought the lot broke it down and graded a few cards....kept a few cards for themselves....and sold off the rest by consigning the rest back to Mastro Auctions? If everyone knew back then that Mastro Auctions was getting the best prices around....why wouldn't you consign the remaining cards back to Mastro?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by olrac44

I'd have to go see if I still had that Catalog from 2007 but again this gentleman is talking as if his cards were MINT like so many other people tend to do with their own RAW cards. Plus someone couldn't have bought the lot broke it down and graded a few cards....kept a few cards for themselves....and sold off the rest by consigning the rest back to Mastro Auctions? If everyone knew back then that Mastro Auctions was getting the best prices around....why wouldn't you consign the remaining cards back to Mastro?

I can't believe how many are taking Mastro's side in Evers' case. They literally stole from him. They did the same thing to a local friend of mine who sent them a ton of early football memorabilia. They completely ignored his instructions to list the important and valuable programs separately. They lotted them all up and didn't even mention the highlights in the listing.

And does anyone really still believe that "gypsy" story with regards to Lionel Carter?

[Mdmtx]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I can't believe how many are taking Mastro's side in Evers' case. They literally stole from him. They did the same thing to a local friend of mine who sent them a ton of early football memorabilia. They completely ignored his instructions to list the important and valuable programs separately. They lotted them all up and didn't even mention the highlights in the listing.

And does anyone really still believe that "gypsy" story with regards to Lionel Carter?

My post was the first reference to the guy with the shoebox. I did not defend Mastro at all. Never have. Never would. The shoebox guy has every right to be pissed because it does appear the Mastro took advantage of him.

However, I think it's fair to say he took advantage of the original seller. He mentioned someone else was coming up the driveway and he had to hurry and make the deal. In my opinion he took complete advantage of an unsuspecting seller. If this sale was on eBay, or from someone who held themselves out as a dealer, I would have no issue. But it wasn't portrayed that way. It was some individual who got screwed by a flipper. Bit I guess that shouldn't be a surprise in the baseball card world. There are a ton of guys in this hobby that have no problem conducting business by duping people.

Mark Medlin

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Mdmtx

My post was the first reference to the guy with the shoebox. I did not defend Mastro at all. Never have. Never would. The shoebox guy has every right to be pissed because it does appear the Mastro took advantage of him.

However, I think it's fair to say he took advantage of the original seller. He mentioned someone else was coming up the driveway and he had to hurry and make the deal. In my opinion he took complete advantage of an unsuspecting seller. If this sale was on eBay, or from someone who held themselves out as a dealer, I would have no issue. But it wasn't portrayed that way. It was some individual who got screwed by a flipper. Bit I guess that shouldn't be a surprise in the baseball card world. There are a ton of guys in this hobby that have no problem conducting business by duping people.

Mark Medlin

Yeah, something doesn't seem right with that garage sale story.

[Buythatcard]

Evers should not be the focus of this thread. He did nothing wrong.

I believe every AH and eBay seller that shills their items should watch this video because this might wake them up.

[WWG]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

I hope Brent and Betsy at PWCC are watching!

As I was watching the show on how the Wagner card was altered, I keep thinking of the 1936 Joe Dimaggio rookie debacle with PWCC.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

And does anyone really still believe that "gypsy" story with regards to Lionel Carter?

I have to say that I went back and read my letters from Lionel Carter recently about the attempted theft, and when you realize that it was this crime that prompted him to consign his collection to Mastro, it is extremely suspicious.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Gypsies, who knew exactly where he kept his cards. And Doug somehow KNEW in advance that all would be returned.