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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The scarcity regarding the T206 cards of Honus Wagner, Magie, and the Joe Doyle error are understood. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
This is great! I like reading stuff like this. I wish I could contribute but I can't. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: scott brockelman
Brian, |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Scot Reader
Hi Ted, |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: barrysloate
Mack, Coombs, and Adams were other prominent A's that were left out of T206. But are any of the three in E90-1? I think they are missing from both sets. Does that prove anything. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I have a simpler theory: |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
SCOT R |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: fkw
The only thing that I can think of is why is Plank found in other sets put out by a directly competing product to American Caramel,... like Philadelphia Caramel, Nadja Caramel, Standard Caramel, etc. If he had some loyalty to one company that wouldnt have happened. Loyalty to any Pennsylvania company,.... then maybe?? |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Ted, that is a quite compelling conjecture you have there. I agree with it. Maybe one day, someone will figure out what Philly law firm represented American Caramel, then, if we can infiltrate someone into their off docket files, there is an extremely unlikely possibility that old correspondence exists about exactly what you suggest. I think it is sound. Plank was one of the very few college educated players of the day... maybe he signed something and then backtracked, or as you say AC pressured ATT into ceasing. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Frank Evanov
Great work! Seems plausible for the first set. Perhaps the second printing, the 350, was started, but fell afoul of the infamous broken printing plate and was limited to very few surviving copies. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Connie Mack, Jack Coombs and B. Adams are is in subsequent E-card sets, but not in |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: barrysloate
Ted- your theory, as always, is very well thought out, and while the details may or may not be exactly on the money, I agree that Plank was in some way blocked from appearing in the T206 set. But I was in error about Adams- he wasn't an Athletic- my bad. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: david poses
somebody in philadelphia hoarded all the planks, trading other cards with his friends, etc. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
DAVID |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
If I understand your post correctly....the following info may provide some insight..... |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I don't think I was implying that American Caramel was "granting rights" to the T206 guys |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Richard Masson
Is there any way to track down a record of litigation that may have been filed and settled in 1909? A docket listing somewhere- Philly or New York? |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
It's almost impossible to track down such documents......where does one start ? |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
RICHARD M |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Andy Baran
Ted, |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Scot Reader
Here are the lawyers who represented ATC before the U.S. Supreme Court in 1911 when the trust was ordered dissolved: |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
ANDY B |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Guys, this law firm thing is not impossible. Thing to do is figure out who did legal work for American Caramel, and it is most likely a Philadelphia law firm. Once that law firm is identified, we can figure out who the current attorneys are, and then see if any of them are baseball nuts. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I think you should take a break from the "bench" and come up North to visit us "yankees". |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
One more very important point I forgot to mention in the above response to you. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: barrysloate
Forget E90-1. Walter Johnson is missing from every E-card set until 1914 Cracker Jack. Anybody have any idea why? |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Ahhhhh.....Now here's the real story.....Candy card Co. struck up a deal with the T-card guys.... |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: barrysloate
Ted- do you really think that is true- a player swap between candy and tobacco? (P.S.- thanks for the Christmas card, especially the part written in Greek- there was a time when I could read it but I've forgotten my alphabet). |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Just trying to inject some humor into this discussion. But, you know what, anything can |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: barrysloate
The Greek letters in your card were lower case, so they are not identical to what you printed (you don't have the greek alphabet on your keyboard, do you?) |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Clint
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Andy Baran
Ted, |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Hey Barry, |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Although Walter Johnson started off in 1907 with a losing record for several seasons, |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: barrysloate
Frank- True, Johnson's breakout year was 1910, so I guess it makes sense. But even in the 25 and 30 card sets there are some marginal players. I guess there was no way to know at the time how great he would be. Nevertheless, he is in every tobacco card set. And at the time Jackson appeared in E90-1, he had about six career hits, so obscure players did make it into sets. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Yes Ted, Wright is in 33 Goudey, but so are over 200 other players, most of the players in the majors. So it doesn't equate to the 25 to 30 card E sets. His presence in 33 Goudey almost proves my point, he IS in it, but isn't in the smaller Diamond Stars. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
FRANK W |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: dan mckee
Hal, your theory is close but Renatta sent them to PSA and they were lost. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
BARRY and FRANK W |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: bill
If my memory is correct I remember hearing a long time ago |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: barrysloate
Ted- I agree wholeheartedly. The Johnson portrait is the best looking card of the 1910 era (but not as nice as an N162 Kelly!) |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: barry arnold
Make it 4 regarding the Walter Johnson, Ted. |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
BARRY S |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: barry arnold
Ted, |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
It took me sometime to go through the "gyrations" of doing a scan and then |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: barry arnold
Ted, |
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My T206 Plank theory....and, what's your guess ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
We just got a sale email from Epson.....so if you are interested.....here is: |
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