Those M114's - When Are We Going To Talk About Them?

[doug.goodman]

There were posters issued in 1957 which measure 17.5 X 20 inches.

Here are scans for :

Johnny Antonelli
Jackie Jensen
Bob Lemon
Chet Nichols
Dean Stone
Mickey Vernon

I also have Bob Turley, but haven't scanned him, yet.


According to the catalog there are also posters for :

Hank Bauer
Frank House
Al Kaline
Al Rosen

Do any of you have any of the missing four?

[Harford20]

Originally Posted by akleinb611

Hello everyone. To answer the question asked about the two Ted Williams poses, I believe Doug may have accidentally transposed them, chronologically speaking. The Ted Williams pose showing a very young Williams against a dark background was issued in 1939. There is no way to know precisely when your copy might have been printed, as the M114's were kept in print and were periodically reprinted, until they weren't. There seems to have been frequent tinkering with the typesetting on the captions, which is where Doug's incredibly precise collecting efforts come in, but I don't believe anyone is in a position to know the year or years each caption type was issued.

So, to summarize, the Williams pose with the dark background was FIRST issued in 1939 and was probably reprinted and made available through 1948 or even early 1949. The second pose, showing a stadium background, was first offered in 1949, probably late I the year, and was undoubtedly available until the magazine when under. A "New York" caption line would have been available at least through 1954, perhaps later until the stock ran out. A "Washington D.C." caption line would have to post-date the magazine's sale to a DC - area publisher, which I believe took place in 1954 or 1955. The last "regular" issue of the magazine came out in 1956, but apparently the premiums were still being produced for another year or so. No word on whether the 1964-65 revival made the earlier premiums available.

There. I hope that's as clear as mud...

ALSO Quote from doug.goodman
So, I just posted the two Ted Williams poses, here are the 5 print variations of Pose #2. The DC difference is obvious, but the other 4 are more subtle. I need to learn how to use photoshop so that I can put those 4 in one picture and note the differences. They are subtle, but they are there. Notice the placement of the text versus the designs in the grass and the edges of the picture. Different printings, in my opinion.

Alan, perfect!
Doug, last month, finally picked up my 7th variation for Ted Williams (as you had posted last year--2 versions of the 1939 and 5 versions of the 1949). I agree, in looking at these versions side-by-side, I also believe each is a different print-run, and likely once yearly from 1949 through 1954/55.

I also saw that you picked up another Joe D. variation; will have to keep a look-out for those Ted variations that have not been found yet.

Dave

[doug.goodman]

Here are the three more large sized 1957 poster scans :

Missing only Frank House and Al Kaline...

[doug.goodman]

With thanx to the most recent Huggins & Scott auction, I have added 4 more m114s to my collection (1036 total) with one of them being a previously unseen (at least by me) Mantle pose. That gives him three different issued poses, that I am aware of.

Doug

[doug.goodman]

Congrats to whoever picked up this m114 Willie Mays tonight on ebay, those don't come up very often, and even though it's beat up, I thought the price was pretty good.

I picked up the Rosen for $2.24 instead.

If anybody reading this picked up the group of 15 for $82, I would be interested in the Robin Roberts that was included.

Doug

[doug.goodman]

Good morning -

The combination of the zombie apocalypse, and my natural tendency towards staying up all night, is giving me time to dig into my m114 collection. Alan and myself are combining our lists and are pretty close to having an up to date "checklist" for what the two of us are aware of, and we're also pretty close to asking the rest of you to take a look at it to let us know what we missed.

Until then, here are the lower label print differences (that we know of) for players whose last name starts with "A"...

Avila - 2
BBM-Avila Robert.jpg

Ashburn - 2
BBM-Ashburn Richie.jpg

Appling - 6
BBM-Appling Luke.jpg

Alexander - 2
BBM-Alexander Grover Cleveland.jpg


Since it's 5:35 am, I think I may go to be now.

Doug "or maybe I'll have some rainbow sherbet" Goodman

[doug.goodman]

After a big bowl of rainbow sherbet, here are the players whose last names start with "B" (in two posts).

Blackwell - 3
BBM-Blackwell Ewell.jpg

Bevens - 4
BBM-Bevens Floyd.jpg

Berra - 2
BBM-Berra Larry.jpg

Bearden - 2
BBM-Bearden Eugene.jpg

Bauer - 2
BBM-Bauer Henry.jpg

Bagby Sr. - 2
BBM-Bagby James Sr.jpg

Bagby Jr. - 2
BBM-Bagby James Jr.jpg

[doug.goodman]

Brown - 2
BBM-Brown James.jpg

Brissie - 2
BBM-Brissie Lou.jpg

Brecheen - 3
BBM-Brecheen Harry.jpg

Branca - 2
BBM-Branca Ralph.jpg

Boudreau - 7
BBM-Boudreau Louis.jpg

Bottomley - 2
BBM-Bottomley James L.jpg

Bonham - 3
BBM-Bonham Ernest.jpg

[h2oya311]

Doug -

I'm scared to ask, but can you identify the date of issue based on the font of any of these...perhaps by cross-referencing them with other players with the same font and the first year they would have been produced?

Also, do you know if there is a Kaline M114 with a New York address (vs. Washington DC)? I believe you said that the Washington DC addresses started in 1954.

Who knew there were this many variations of an under-appreciated and under-collected set? Other than you, of course!

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Doug -

I'm scared to ask, but can you identify the date of issue based on the font of any of these...perhaps by cross-referencing them with other players with the same font and the first year they would have been produced?

Also, do you know if there is a Kaline M114 with a New York address (vs. Washington DC)? I believe you said that the Washington DC addresses started in 1954.

Who knew there were this many variations of an under-appreciated and under-collected set? Other than you, of course!

Date of issue : believe it or not, I haven't really paid much attention to dates (yet) other than to just run with what is in the SCD. I suppose at some point, I will probably get into dates, but I don't think we will ever really know, unless somebody finds a file cabinet filled with m114 (and hopefully m113) paperwork from the Baseball Magazine offices (or their printer).



Al Kaline : It was actually Alan's groundbreaking 2008 article in SCD that let me know about the DC address.

https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/memorabilia/m114

I have never seen a Kaline with a New York (or NY) address line, and would not be surprised if one doesn't exist, but I'm always looking, just in case.

Doug

[h2oya311]

Excellent article. Thanks for sharing!

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Excellent article. Thanks for sharing!

The author of that article, is the OP of this thread.

[akleinb611]

Thanks for the kind words. When I started it, I had hoped that this thread would find its way to someone who actually knows stuff about the goings-on at Baseball Magazine, particularly during its later years, but so far, not so much. My article was written by someone who didn't actually KNOW anything, just someone who'd been collecting the set for a long time and deduced some things. It just shows that enthusiasm will overcome ignorance.

Seriously though, I am very flattered that people have found my article useful. No doubt the lack of other articles written about the set helps mine stand out.

Alan

[puckpaul]

Always enjoyed these, chance to pickup some great players cheaply! I did however shell out some money for some fully intact M113s from Steve V many years ago. Complete large sizes and no creases. Steve convinced me how rare they were like that. Someone referenced Steve buying these years ago, I was the beneficiary and ultimate buyer of some of them.

I Moved around quite a bit after that, lugging the stack of these around in an art case. I framed a few so I can see them easily, then thought that was mistake since they were in such pristine condition that was now covered up a bit! I love that Walter Johnson pitching arm pose, pretty unique image and card?

Never see much interest in these, or love from auctions or prices... but they are great!

Here is my Walter... unlike the others this one was well loved over the years and creased.

Paul

[Schlesinj]

Here is a Uncle Jimmy that was signed by Lou’s wife.

IMG_2727.jpg

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

.. I love that Walter Johnson pitching arm pose, pretty unique image and card? ...

That's the best m113, in my opinion.

[metroac]

I've gotten interested in the M114's relatively recently. They seem to provide a rare opportunity to land a "card" of some otherwise unobtainable Hall of Famers. I gather, though, that some/many of the poses were issued after the players' careers were over.

Is there a checklist anywhere online that gives the dates of issue of the various poses? I assume everyone would prefer something that was issued during the player's career, just I assume there'd be a price difference attached to the issues from when the player was active. I'm not so much interested in price/value, though, just year of first issue. Can anyone help?

[sb1]

Long ways off, but I will have well over 100 M113/114's in my next auction, with several text variations and HOFers.

[T206Collector]

I have several signed M114s from the Doc Steen collection. But my favorite signed M114 is my Wagner:



I also used to own this signed M113 Speaker, but I traded it for a Ty Cobb check endorsed by fellow T206 player Cad Coles.

[Leon]

Great thread with a lot of information. The collector gene can clearly be seen.
I remember measuring, to a 64th of an inch, a whole group of 1916-W unc cards as a small project. I drank a lot of coffee that morning, as I remember.
Thanks for sharing, guys!
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[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by sb1

Long ways off, but I will have well over 100 M113/114's in my next auction, with several text variations and HOFers.

Can we get a link, please?

[sb1]

Will be several months away yet.... www.brockelmanauctions.com

[doug.goodman]

I'm going to go get in line now, it will be like going to see AC/DC in 1982 when I got to the Cow Palace the night before the show...

[whiteymet]

Hi Guys:

The next Huggins and Scott auction will have a lot of over 100 M114's.

Link is nelow. No photos posted yet

https://hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/...l?itemid=60504