NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-21-2013, 07:18 PM
wonkaticket wonkaticket is offline
John
J0hn McD@niel
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,668
Default Lelands Lot #153 Heads Up.

Just a heads up to any members who may consider buying/bidding on lot #153 in Leland’s current auction.

I reached out to them after seeing the item listed for sale to let them know a bit of the history of this item. The item while original has had a massive amount of work done, above and beyond what most collectors would consider preservation or minor restoration.

The item was once listed for sale on eBay by Rick Kohl/BRSZ. I had contacted him upon seeing it looking to acquire a second example. I was notified by a few folks including Rick that it had undergone significant work. I ended up getting these before pictures.



I called and shared this story with Leland’s this Friday. The person I spoke with was very interested to get the many images I sent. He even agreed upon closer inspection that he could see every area where work has been done and that it mirrored exactly the before pictures.





I told him no worries some of the work that can be done is pretty amazing. Perhaps they just missed it or the consignor failed to share etc. I added they may want to amend their description to include the before images as well as change the online description a bit. As currently it implies only minor work in my opinion has been performed, certainly now armed with these images they can clearly call out more detail in terms of restoration.

I followed up my previous email today this time adding Josh Evans asking if they had planned to add in the details so potential bidders/buyers could be fully informed on the item. This was the response I received from Josh.

“It is clearly written in the description regarding restoration”

I respectfully disagreed with Josh and was a bit surprised that this would be his stance upon getting more information. I think it’s safe to assume that anyone who may buy this may not be thrilled to know that they have bought one of if not the worst condition G20 banners around especially after reading the below description to make their purchase.

“The "game-action" illustrations in each corner only add to the piece's greatness. There has been expertly-done restoration on the poster, which measures 18.75" x 30.5" in its frame. There is some chipping at the upper edges, and some residue on the reverse, meaning the poster may have been mounted at one time. A mere eight completed sets of the N28 issue have been entered into the PSA Set Registry, making this the most highly coveted poster from the Allen & Ginter family. The baseball players themselves, in effect, comprise the very first set of so-called baseball cards. As far back as the 1930s, Jefferson Burdick made note of this poster in The American Card Catalog, the first price guide, and still the most influential. The poster is in NRMT condition.”

Just giving anybody out there a heads up since it’s clear that Leland’s feels it’s done its due diligence in terms of accurately describing this lot.

Cheers,

John
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-21-2013, 07:33 PM
Peter_Spaeth's Avatar
Peter_Spaeth Peter_Spaeth is offline
Peter Spaeth
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 33,509
Default

There is restoration and then there is RESTORATION. I think Leland's should say something about the extent of the restoration.
__________________
Net 54-- the discussion board where people resent discussions.

My avatar is a sketch by my son who is an art school graduate. Some of his sketches and paintings are at
https://www.jamesspaethartwork.com/
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-21-2013, 07:33 PM
Vegas-guy's Avatar
Vegas-guy Vegas-guy is offline
Reg
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 387
Default

This is one of the many resonsons this site is great! Thanks for sharing John..
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-21-2013, 07:51 PM
e107collector's Avatar
e107collector e107collector is offline
Tony N.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 968
Default

Peter, I agree - this piece has had a total makeover.

Thanks for the heads up John.

Tony
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-21-2013, 08:05 PM
Steve D's Avatar
Steve D Steve D is offline
5t3v3...D4.w50n
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 1,984
Default

Considering that it appears the left-most 3"-4" of the poster, along with major portions extending 3"-4" in from the right border have basically been replaced, including major parts of Anson, Kelly and Ward, more specifics regarding the restorations are in my opinion, a must.

Steve
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-21-2013, 08:12 PM
batsballsbases's Avatar
batsballsbases batsballsbases is offline
Al
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: From Ct+ NY now retired in North Carolina
Posts: 2,206
Default

All I can say is WOW. Thanks John for posting this.
__________________
The speed of light is faster that the speed of sound that is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

Trying is the first step towards failing, and failing is the first step towards success!

Life's lessons cost money Some lessons cost a lot..
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-21-2013, 09:29 PM
jcmtiger's Avatar
jcmtiger jcmtiger is offline
Joe M.
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,307
Default

Lots of restoration, but to bad the Sports Collecting world does not accept restoration like the Art world does. Multi million dollar art pieces have been restored and the Art World accepts the art after the work is done. The same is to be said about the Comic Book collectors.

Joe
__________________
"Ty Cobb, Spikes Flying"

Collecting Detroit 19th Century N172, N173, N175.
N172 Detroit. Getzein, McGlone, Rooks, Wheelock, Gillligan, Kid Baldwin Error, Lady Baldwin, Conway, Deacon White

Positive transactions with Joe G, Jay Miller, CTANK80, BIGFISH, MGHPRO, k. DIXON, LEON, INSIDETHEWRAPPER, GOCUBSGO32, Steve Suckow, RAINIER2004, Ben Yourg, GNAZ01, yanksrnice09, cmiz5290, Kris Sweckard (Kris19),Angyal, Chuck Tapia,Belfast1933,bcbgcbrcb,fusorcruiser, tsp06, cobbcobb13
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-22-2013, 11:07 AM
atx840's Avatar
atx840 atx840 is offline
Chris Browne
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
Posts: 3,742
Default Lelands Lot #153 Heads Up.

Thanks for sharing this John.

That extensive of a restoration requires more then one line in the write up. If it was in similar condition to the HA example then understandably but that write up is misleading.

Josh. Can bids be retracted?

__________________
T206 gallery

Last edited by atx840; 12-22-2013 at 11:13 AM.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
WTB 38 Goudey Heads Up Scott L. 1920 to 1949 Baseball cards- B/S/T 1 08-20-2013 11:49 AM
WTB 1938 Heads Up! campyfan39 1920 to 1949 Baseball cards- B/S/T 1 09-12-2011 11:33 AM
A Heads Up oldjudge Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 2 09-06-2011 10:32 AM
Big Heads Archive Pre-WWII cards (E, D, M, etc..) B/S/T 2 05-14-2006 03:21 PM
heads up....another fake Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 4 02-01-2004 12:57 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:23 AM.


ebay GSB