I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

[Chris Counts]

I still can't figure out why "Lords catches his man" features Jackson, at least according to some, and "Too late for Devlin" doesn't. They look like the same player to me.

[brianp-beme]

I have the most important part of a T202 Lord/Tannehill card.

Brian

[robw1959]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

I still can't figure out why "Lords catches his man" features Jackson, at least according to some, and "Too late for Devlin" doesn't. They look like the same player to me.

They do bear some facial similarity, but, to me, they are not quite dead-ringers. The sliding figure in "Lord Catches His Man" Has some solid newspaper provenance as well. Is there any such provenance for the guy sliding toward Art Devlin?

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by robw1959

I feel like it's time to resurrect this thread . . .

No, it's not...

[CW]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

No, it's not...

Why the negativity and what does this add to the discussion?

We are talking baseball cards, and this hobby is supposed to be for relaxation and fun.

[JollyElm]

My two cents:

I would definitely take the 'under' on the pic to the left (ball in air) and the 'over' on the image to the right, with regards to whether or not it is 'Shoeless' Joe.

The former could really be anyone. His contorted face could be shoehorned to look a bit like Joe Jackson, but I highly doubt that's him. The latter seems to show someone who is much more likely to be him...but could still possibly be someone else who has a similar look to JJ.

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts:

I still can't figure out why "Lords catches his man" features Jackson, at least according to some, and "Too late for Devlin" doesn't. They look like the same player to me.

Originally Posted by robw1959

They do bear some facial similarity, but, to me, they are not quite dead-ringers. The sliding figure in "Lord Catches His Man" Has some solid newspaper provenance as well. Is there any such provenance for the guy sliding toward Art Devlin?

The Too Late for Devlin cannot possibly be Joe Jackson, as Devlin played his entire career in the National League, and Jackson played entirely in the American League.

The sliding player must be a Cincinnati Red.


Steve

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by Steve D

Originally Posted by Chris Counts:

I still can't figure out why "Lords catches his man" features Jackson, at least according to some, and "Too late for Devlin" doesn't. They look like the same player to me.




The Too Late for Devlin cannot possibly be Joe Jackson, as Devlin played his entire career in the National League, and Jackson played entirely in the American League.

The sliding player must be a Cincinnati Red.


Steve

I agree that it can't be Devlin and an American League player in the image, but it can't be a Red, because the Cincinnati uniform in those years did not feature a dark cap with a light-colored C. The home uniform had a red cap with no C (except in 1909, when they had a white cap with a red C). The road uniform 1909-1911 was dark blue, and the cap had a red C. In 1912 they wore a gray road uniform with a gray cap, but no C.

The Chicago Cubs' home uniform in 1911 and 1912 featured a dark cap with a white C. This seems like a better match. I've attached an image of Joe Tinker from 1911 or 1912 that had been available at RMY Auctions. (I do not own this photo.)

[GeoPoto]

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[Steve D]

Originally Posted by RUKen

I agree that it can't be Devlin and an American League player in the image, but it can't be a Red, because the Cincinnati uniform in those years did not feature a dark cap with a light-colored C. The home uniform had a red cap with no C (except in 1909, when they had a white cap with a red C). The road uniform 1909-1911 was dark blue, and the cap had a red C. In 1912 they wore a gray road uniform with a gray cap, but no C.

The Chicago Cubs' home uniform in 1911 and 1912 featured a dark cap with a white C. This seems like a better match. I've attached an image of Joe Tinker from 1911 or 1912 that had been available at RMY Auctions. (I do not own this photo.)

Damn, I totally forgot Chicago started with a C. As I was typing the post, I could only come up with Cincinnati as a "C" team.

Steve

[Mark17]

Meanwhile, this is Ty Cobb...

[jbanfield]

This was confirmed to be Shoeless Joe Jackson in the center panel via an old newspaper article with the exact picture of the play and the article naming Joe Jackson himself. Highest graded version is a PSA-7 with a total pop of 60.

[brunswickreeves]

Leland’s is currently auctioning Joe Jackson’s personal scrapbook!

I asked Tom for some additional images from it to be added to the listing. Upon close inspection, I found in it a newspaper article clipping showing Jackson’s infamous slide, same image depiction used in the T202 center panel card?

https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=126591

[HercDriver]

The same image as what T202 card? It's not the same image as depicted on the Lord Catches His Man card.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I don't doubt it's the same play but it's definitely not the same photo.

[frohme]

Don't recall posing during this thread's lifetime and surprised to see it back. Apologies for not reviewing the thread to see at what length this was already discussed, but ...

I know I wasn't that invested in either the card or the outcome, other than as a curiosity - and still am not - but looking at it more closely now, I can't even believe its the same play in the same game.

First, the 3rd baseman's foot positioning is so different (right foot in front/to right of the bag on the card, but behind the bag on newspaper photo) and
Second ... his uniform/sock don't appear to match. Even if you stretch your imagination and call what you see in the newspaper photo 'washed out', to make it the (clearly) dark/black seen on the card... you can't then say the black/'darker than the uniform' in the top half of the sock (newspaper) matches the white top half of the sock (card). Similar problems exist ex[plaining away the discrepancies in the shortstop, but I'll defer any further comments at this point.

I seem to recall that the image was more conclusive during the thread's original run (and can't be bothered to go find it), but with this image, its a no go for me. Not saying its not JJ on the card, just that this evidence does not seal anything for me.



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Just my irrelevantly late couple of centavos.
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Mike

[DougG423]

https://prewarcards.com/2018/09/06/t...tches-his-man/

Interesting article but doesn't have a definitive answer about the mystery runner. Several Heritage Lots reference Jackson on the T202 Tannehill Lord card. A lot of eBay Lots do too. Not that I put any stock into eBay.