T206 Errors and Oddities.. Show Yours

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by mrvster

maybe something got in between the impression cylnder piece of debris?? that caused the embossing?? and in, turn, the impression picked up blue ink??

+1.

Steve B.,

Any chance that a little string of dried ink got stuck on the printer? I have zero knowledge of the printing process, just thinking about what happens sometimes when you are using a can of paint for a long time...

[steve B]

Originally Posted by wolf441

+1.

Steve B.,

Any chance that a little string of dried ink got stuck on the printer? I have zero knowledge of the printing process, just thinking about what happens sometimes when you are using a can of paint for a long time...

The error is so odd I wouldn't rule it out at this point.

In general, some of the inks take a long time to fully dry, but they're "dry" very soon after printing. It runs through a set of rollers to spread it out evenly to ink the plate, and drips aren't common. A bit of overinking or spatter yes, huge gobs of ink allowed to harden? Not usually. And dried ink isn't very strong, the press should have crushed it if that happened.

I suspect a nail or bit of wire.

I've aslo spent a chunk of time looking at 1910 and earlier press patents. I'm almost rethinking the overall production entirely. Almost.

Steve B

[t206blogcom]

I was looking through my SLs when I noticed my Miller (Piedmont 350) had multiple crop marks. I've seen plenty that have the small marks on the center side/top/bottom and one or two with a horizontal line at the top. I haven't seen one that had a 'T' mark at the top like this one. It also has a right side crop mark, a center bottom crop mark and two small blue marks in the bottom right side border. Any others like this out there?

[steve B]

This one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...item3ce1ee8171

And this one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLY-MILLER...item5b04ab0c4d

Both show the spot on the lower right border and the fine white lines in the background. But they don't have the registration marks a prominently.

The registration marks were either removed or wore off the plate in use. But the border dot and the fine lines being on multiple copies make that an identifiable individual position on one sheet. Another bit of the puzzle.

Steve B

[t206blogcom]

Steve - I see the blue dot and bottom and side marks in your two examples, but not the 'T' at the top like on mine. That's what I'm curious about and haven't seen another one like this one.

[Jantz]

Jason

Not a Miller, but look at this Goode.


Jantz

[steve B]

Originally Posted by t206blogcom

Steve - I see the blue dot and bottom and side marks in your two examples, but not the 'T' at the top like on mine. That's what I'm curious about and haven't seen another one like this one.

The T at the top and the bottom and side marks are registration marks to help align the transfers used to lay out the plate. They should have been erased, but sometimes weren't. I've seen a few cards with big marks like the top T, and most have small remnants at the centers of the sides.

I think the large marks either wore off after a while, or were eventually erased by the press operator.

Even the smaller marks are often different on the same subject, and can be used to tell different positions apart.

Steve B

[t206blogcom]

Thanks for the clarification Steve. I've owned plenty with the side and bottom and even top marks, but only one with the 'T'. Neat at the very least.

[MW1]

T206 Downey with unusual overprint:

[Jobu]

It looks like Sheckard's soul is about half a step faster than his body.

I zoomed in on the face because I noticed something odd about this one. From what I have seen, most ghosts are shifted up/down or left/right. While this one is shifted left, you can see from the nose, lips, and chin that the ghost also appears to be tilted upward. This suggests that the sheet was askew or the stone was rotated.

Does anyone else have an example of a ghost that isn't offset at a 90 degree angle from the central axes of the card?

[mrvster]

ghost Bryan!

[dk1216]

My first post AND image attachment. Could figure out how to rotate the "DOPNER". The Dunn proof is my favorite...

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1412730876

[mrvster]

these are yours??????????????????


OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IM HAVING OVERLOAD!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by mrvster

these are yours??????????????????


OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IM HAVING OVERLOAD!

i was waiting for this...

[mrvster]

panting now! I'm BlinD over the Dunn Proof

I am still in shock at these beauties!

[T206.org]

WOW, Doug - beauties! Welcome to Net54 (with a bang)!

[atx840]

Awesome group, love the Dunn! Thanks for sharing.

[joeadcock]

Originally Posted by atx840

Awesome group, love the Dunn! Thanks for sharing.

Agreed

[MVSNYC]

I wonder how many PM's Doug got about selling those cards?

[Jobu]

Awesome cards Doug! I am glad that I posted my minor ghost before your addition to this thread because I would never have followed your post with that Sheckard.

[btcarfagno]

Just picked this one up. I assume it is just a miscut with a tremendously large top border and nothing more. Still pretty cool though.

Does the fact that there is no other card on top mean that this was at the top of the sheet? Just wondering.





Tom C

[Leon]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

I wonder how many PM's Doug got about selling those cards?

Counting or not counting yours? And nice first post for Doug after 5 1/2 yrs of being a member.....

[MVSNYC]

LL- I actually didn't reach out to him, because I was sure that Johnny filled up the maximum space allowed in Doug's PM folder.

[joeadcock]

Question? I have the Leach on the left 2 pics, got it in a beater lot while back. There is a typical Leach on to the right(I dont own it)

Is there something wrong with the beater? Face looks too pale. Is there a color missing?

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by joeadcock

Question? I have the Leach on the left 2 pics, got it in a beater lot while back. There is a typical Leach on to the right(I dont own it)

Is there something wrong with the beater? Face looks too pale. Is there a color missing?

I'd have to see the back... if there's any glue residue, it would be due to that.

[joeadcock]

Here's the back.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by joeadcock

Here's the back.

appears to be missing pink/buff; this makes up the skin tone and part of the sky. Always tough to tell if that is missing ink or something post factory. Interesting nonetheless.

[t206blogcom]

Originally Posted by t206hound

appears to be missing pink/buff; this makes up the skin tone and part of the sky. Always tough to tell if that is missing ink or something post factory. Interesting nonetheless.

It could just be faded due to it being in rough shape, but unique for sure.

[t206blogcom]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Does the fact that there is no other card on top mean that this was at the top of the sheet? Just wondering.

That's what I've always assumed, especially with the really large top borders like this one. Neat card.

[Jobu]

Color variants: Hoblitzell is missing red, Manning looks like it got grey twice, and Dorner has too much red.

[Jobu]

I found another sheetmate! Ira Thomas was to the left of Chief Myers (Myers' Sweet Cap 350 back is not miscut).

[Sean]

Bryan, excellent catch.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Jobu

I found another sheetmate! Ira Thomas was to the left of Chief Myers (Myers' Sweet Cap 350 back is not miscut).

Bryan, So you are who got the card. The one time David forgot to email me before listing a print error. Nice pickup.

[mrvster]

Great work! I love the litho / print illustrations....

the ghost is SWEET

if it was scrap, id be bothering you for it

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by Jobu

I found another sheetmate! Ira Thomas was to the left of Chief Myers (Myers' Sweet Cap 350 back is not miscut).

Hey Bryan... which Factory number? Cool pickup.

[Jobu]

Thanks guys, I am excited to have found it and officially made a contribution to all of your work on this set.

I should have posted Myers' back, sorry about that - I was worried about getting Ira in there. Here are the front and back together (SC 350-30).

[Bigb13]

I was wondering are there any more ghosts we have not seen yet?

[gregr2]

Still learning, just picked this up. Is this what is considered color shift?

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[Sean]

It's a slight color shift. The red ink was off slightly, as you can see at the top border and the gap just above the uniform.

[gregr2]

Originally Posted by Sean

It's a slight color shift. The red ink was off slightly, as you can see at the top border and the gap just above the uniform.

Thanks Sean. The double lips and eyebrows seem quite noticeable.

[Jobu]

Hi Greg,

The Myers I posted just above your post has a huge shift in the green layer. This Barger has a shift in the gray layer used to darken the images up and creates a "ghostier" image because it shows the player's features. (I have yet to have the time to really figure out who the shoulder on the left of the card belongs to though Brown and Dougherty are possible).

[mrvster]

WOW! for factory cut.. A GREAT GHOST! omg great score...


Chris b or Erick S will pick out the player in a sec! they are 2 of the best I know , besides Tim C

[Jobu]

Thanks Johnny!

So nobody here is going to do my homework for me and tell me who owns the extra shoulder on the left?

[Sean]

I think thay it's the same guy, Barger. But I'm not good at puzzles.

[Jobu]

That would be very interesting given that it seems many think individual players were printed in columns and not rows as revealed in the excellent plate scratches thread ...

Originally Posted by Sean

I think thay it's the same guy, Barger. But I'm not good at puzzles.

[Pat R]

Bryan,

I don't think it's Dougherty or Barger the shoulder angle is to steep for
either one. It could be Brown, a few other possibility's are Easterly, Willis,
Donovan and Bradley if someone like Chris or Erick could line up the angle
and height of the shoulder they might be able to figure it out or at least
narrow it down.

[Pat R]

The shoulder is to low on all the ones I mentioned it needs to be steep and
higher up like Kling ( I don't think kling matches but it's close) someone
with a lot better skills than me might be able to do a proper overlay on
a few possibility's.

[mrvster]

Got to say your research is outstand!

Would love to get some feedback on this card from those with expertise with T206 oddities. Thanks in advance

[atx840]

Looks to be wet ink transfer from a Cobb on the below sheet.

Let see some more errors!