BST transaction gone very bad with "lost" check

[ibuysportsephemera]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

There would have been absolutely no reason for timelord to have edited the original BST ad if he had nothing to do with cashing that check. He edited it on 2/2/15 to add "Paypal gift accepted" a full 16 months after making the original posting. He has quite clearly incriminated himself with that edit. Perhaps the timelord didn't realize his edit would leave a time stamp?

+1...Definitely incriminating.

Jeff

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yes, the thread I locked right after he did it.

It's actually the N300 Delahanty which sold around the same time as the Robinson. Thanks for locking down the thread Leon.

Bill, and others, thanks for doing some legwork. I'd done a bit of my own but am not going to publicly post any of that here (yet). Going forward feel free to email anything you find you think may help, but that may be too sensitive to post here, directly to itjclarke@yahoo.com.

Al, I will see if I can jumble letters a bit.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

It's actually the N300 Delahanty which sold around the same time as the Robinson. Thanks for locking down the thread Leon.

Bill, and others, thanks for doing some legwork. I'd done a bit of my own but am not going to publicly post any of that here (yet). Going forward feel free to email anything you find you think may help, but that may be too sensitive to post here, directly to itjclarke@yahoo.com.

Al, I will see if I can jumble letters a bit.

I got my mayo's confused. I like mustard anyway >.....

[brob28]

My pleasure Ian. It is our responsibility and in our best interests to help each other police our hobby. Thank you for letting us know about this.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Jacklitsch

The Blowout Cards TimeLord is not our Timelord.

Our Timelord, Richard, is in Philadelphia, and is, I believe, in the banking business and collects vintage. His collecting interests include e107 and meteorites. He has websites devoted to both.

If he's in the banking business, I think that speaks volumes.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If he's in the banking business, I think that speaks volumes.

Jesse James was in the Banking Business too.!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

Jesse James was in the Banking Business too.!

along with lots of guys on the show American greed

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

There would have been absolutely no reason for timelord to have edited the original BST ad if he had nothing to do with cashing that check. He edited it on 2/2/15 to add "Paypal gift accepted" a full 16 months after making the original posting. He has quite clearly incriminated himself with that edit. Perhaps the timelord didn't realize his edit would leave a time stamp?

OK I'm lost. Where is there a 2-2-15 edit? I only see a 2-2-14 edit.

[Econteachert205]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

OK I'm lost. Where is there a 2-2-15 edit? I only see a 2-2-14 edit.

I also only saw the 2-2-14 edit on both cards mentioned

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

I also only saw the 2-2-14 edit on both cards mentioned

That is still 6 months after the initial post(s). Very strange at best...

[Econteachert205]

Originally Posted by Leon

That is still 6 months after the initial post(s). Very strange at best...

Agree, especially the kind of edit made.

[nolemmings]

Not really, and it's only 2+ months from when he said he didn't receive the check and instead received paypal-- the OP said the paypal and card were both received in November '13. I've been guilty of forgetting to update the B/S/T thread for awhile after I've sold a card. I guess I fail to see the incriminating nature of the edit at all.

[slidekellyslide]

My bad...I still think it's 2014 for some reason...anyway he edited that post well after the transaction was completed to say "Paypal gift accepted"...why would do this? And who does this?

[packs]

People might have asked if he accepted Paypal before the buyer actually sent payment. I never consider a transaction as being complete before being paid, but I will put the card/item on hold and always take first satisfying offer.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

My bad...I still think it's 2014 for some reason...anyway he edited that post well after the transaction was completed to say "Paypal gift accepted"...why would do this? And who does this?

To tell the truth I do it alot Dan. I go back sometimes 4,5,6 months erase most of the text and pictures. I do it most of the time just so I dont get PMs asking if these items are still for sale.etc. Most of the time I erase everything and put SOLD in the listing. I dont know its just something I do so I dont see it to be that strange. But to change to paypal gift accepted only maybe a bit out of line.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

My bad...I still think it's 2014 for some reason...anyway he edited that post well after the transaction was completed to say "Paypal gift accepted"...why would do this? And who does this?

Do you have a list of all his prior edits, if any? Most people here, although I'm not entirely certain why, feel the need to remove the price once the item is sold, and this clearly was done here. Other than that, do we know whether the manner of payment that seller found satisfactory was edited in after the fact, i.e., do we know the exact portion of the message that had been edited?

Finally, even if that language was added with the price removal, could that not just be an internal note for seller’s accounting purposes as to how he got paid?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

To tell the truth I do it alot Dan. I go back sometimes 4,5,6 months erase most of the text and pictures. I do it most of the time just so I dont get PMs asking if these items are still for sale.etc. Most of the time I erase everything and put SOLD in the listing. I dont know its just something I do so I dont see it to be that strange. But to change to paypal gift accepted only maybe a bit out of line.

Sorry to be a little off topic. I can understand adding SOLD to the listing but not deleting entire posts, changing pictures after item has sold, or removing the price after item has sold. I know several sellers do this just don't understand why.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

To tell the truth I do it alot Dan. I go back sometimes 4,5,6 months erase most of the text and pictures. I do it most of the time just so I dont get PMs asking if these items are still for sale.etc. Most of the time I erase everything and put SOLD in the listing. I dont know its just something I do so I dont see it to be that strange. But to change to paypal gift accepted only maybe a bit out of line.

All, I'll say I find this one of the least compelling bits of information presented so far (as well as other things learned off line). I didn't refer to this in my original post because it was well down the pecking order, but had PMd with Leon separately about it since I thought it odd. Eliminate this completely from the discussion and there's still a lot of other "stuff".

I'll leave it at that, and won't make any more assertions here. I personally hope this thread sort of dies down, as I think it's mostly served its purpose for now. Thanks for all good ideas and opinions received thus far, and I continue to welcome any ideas/suggestions others may have, however ask you use my email- itjclarke@yahoo.com since my PM box is just about full.

As said before, after all is said and done, I'll bullet the outcome and any key lessons learned about this or similar situations.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Sorry to be a little off topic. I can understand adding SOLD to the listing but not deleting entire posts, changing pictures after item has sold, or removing the price after item has sold. I know several sellers do this just don't understand why.

I think sellers remove the price because after its sold serves both the buyer and seller.

for the buyer..if I was going to sell it again ..it may never get more than what i paid for it on net 54 if trying to sell on net54..some buyers just refuse to pay more more than what they see a card sold for on the same site....for the seller...if the card sells at auctions for less money, it wont look good for potential sales pitch on other cards if people can see that you have tried to sell cards in the past for more than they sell for on ebay...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Do you have a list of all his prior edits, if any? Most people here, although I'm not entirely certain why, feel the need to remove the price once the item is sold, and this clearly was done here. Other than that, do we know whether the manner of payment that seller found satisfactory was edited in after the fact, i.e., do we know the exact portion of the message that had been edited?

Finally, even if that language was added with the price removal, could that not just be an internal note for seller’s accounting purposes as to how he got paid?

Dude, forget all of that crap. He knows someone cashed a check written to him, said it wasn't him, and won't help.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Dude, forget all of that crap. He knows someone cashed a check written to him, said it wasn't him, and won't help.

And Todd had 14 follow-up questions too....

[pencil1974]

Originally Posted by Leon

Dude, forget all of that crap. He knows someone cashed a check written to him, said it wasn't him, and won't help.

Exactly! Like I said before, its just simple common sense that if you had nothing to do with what happened you would be helping this person out as much as possible to help make it right.

[nolemmings]

Dude, forget all of that crap. He knows someone cashed a check written to him, said it wasn't him, and won't help.

Wow, why the hostility? I just questioned what was supposed to be some sort of smoking gun that turns out not to be so. Forgive me for having doused my torch and blunted my pitchfork.

And you can bet, Peter, that I would have far more than 14 questions Oh well, back to the lynching at hand.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Wow, why the hostility? I just questioned what was supposed to be some sort of smoking gun that turns out not to be so. Forgive me for having doused my torch and blunted my pitchfork.

And you can bet, Peter, that I would have far more than 14 questions Oh well, back to the lynching at hand.

It wasn't supposed to come out hostile, sorry about that. But I think sometimes we get sidetracked from some of the most important issues.

[nolemmings]

It wasn't supposed to come out hostile, sorry about that. But I think sometimes we get sidetracked from some of the most important issues.

Agreed. Like not pre-judging or jumping to conclusions, and acknowledging that everyone should be entitled to a defense, even in absentia. I am confident the truth will be made known to the appropriate parties in time, and see little gained by fanning the flames now.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Agreed. Like not pre-judging or jumping to conclusions, and acknowledging that everyone should be entitled to a defense, even in absentia. I am confident the truth will be made known to the appropriate parties in time, and see little gained by fanning the flames now.

The guy's not helping. That should be fairly incriminating. I would think that the bank should be able to show which account that check was deposited into, and then if that account belongs to Timelord, then I don't know how Timelord can explain it. If the check went into some other account unrelated to Timelord or to cash, then there is something more of a possibility the check was stolen and the signature forged.

[itjclarke]

Well, I said I wouldn't give a play by play going forward, but there has just been a positive development. My bank's fraud claims people called this afternoon and said they had just received the completed and signed affidavit for check fraud form. I do not have any more details, nor will I share more about their investigation until it's done, but I felt it fair to Richard and the board to let you all know.

I still have not heard a word from Richard in 3.5 weeks, but I'll take this as a positive 1st step.. though I expect there will need to be several more steps ahead.

[slipk1068]

Awesome

[1952boyntoncollector]

[QUOTE=itjclarke;1381670]Well, I said I wouldn't give a play by play going forward, but there has just been a positive development. My bank's fraud claims people called this afternoon and said they had just received the completed and signed affidavit for check fraud form. I do not have any more details, nor will I share more about their investigation until it's done, but I felt it fair to Richard and the board to let you all know.

I still have not heard a word from Richard in 3.5 weeks, but I'll take this as a positive 1st step.. though I expect there will need to be several more steps ahead.[/QUOTE

a good start.....

[chaddurbin]

lesson learned... don't deal with anyone that has more than one "final price reduction".

[itjclarke]

I guess it's an appropriate time to bump this thread, due in part to some recent BST postings that I'd noticed (and had pointed out to me by a few board members), as well as the fact I'm now closer to full resolution.

About 4-5 weeks ago, the full amount of money I'd lost simply re-appeared in my account. It reappeared as quickly and inexplicably as it had disappeared, and I didn't notice until a few days later. I then received a brief form letter from Wells Fargo simply stating money had been deposited, making reference to a case number, but offering no specific case details. I have a call into them, have not heard back, and have been otherwise pretty swamped work/life wise so haven't pursued it further. I presume they found enough to determine there was fraud/foul play involved and were able to get the depositing bank to pay them. That part is good, but the lingering questions still bug me.

I still have yet to hear a peep from the BST seller (Timelord) since well prior to this thread's origin. I guess now, as he is selling again, is another opportunity for him to speak up here, or reach out to me directly. Regardless, once things slow down a bit for me (prob in Fall), and I get caught up elsewhere, I'll continue pursuing the bank's "investigators" for more information. If/when I get any info that seems relevant to board dealings, I'll post it here.

Thanks again to all the guys who offered advice and feedback when I was working through this. This board is awesome. If anyone wants to connect this go around, feel free to email directly-- itjclarke@yahoo.com since my PM box is pretty full.

[shammus]

Hopefully you hear back from the bank but I'm glad you got a refund so you're at least not out any money at this point. Best of luck to you, Ian!