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Posted By: Hal Lewis
Brian: |
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Posted By: brian
Hal, |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Brian, I appreicate your spin on the issue. My only comments are: a) are the allegations contained in Greg's article only "alleged" as you say or proven? Sounds like they were proven (following a guilty plea) to me. And b) has anyone here once claimed that Memory Lane has run a crooked auction? Or simply that they feel that such a possibility could exist considering one of the principals had plead guilty to defrauding innocent citizens in a particularly slimy manner? And lastly, regardless of Greg's motivation in posting this, how does JP Cohen's recent past as a fraudster reflect negatively on Greg Schwartz? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Brian- I don't know who you are since you didn't include your last name, but something about your post concerns me. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that all your experiences with Memory Lane, both buying and selling, have been positive. But now that this story has come to light, doesn't it make you feel just a little bit uncomfortable? Is it possible that J.P. Cohen is doing all these altruistic things because he already made all the money he will ever need and he is now doing major damage control? Wouldn't it be advantageous for him to come across as a model citizen as a way of covering up a very ugly past? |
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Posted By: Martin Neal
If these J. P. Cohens are on and the same, how could anyone consider doing business with him. If he profited from these illegal activities and I am making an assumption that he did, then what else does anyone have to know about him? I don't care if he is an exemplery businessman and model citizen, he should be stripped of all assets and made to work for his good fortune like the rest of us. About 10,000 hours of community service would do him good. Even this would not repay the harm he has done to the needy people of the world. Do we really need this type of individual in our hobby? |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Brian, |
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Posted By: rob
First off, I have no experience with the people mentioned in this piece but i have one piece of advice for those who have. Most of us are honest, hard-working people who hang around honest hard-working people. I had the unfortunate experience of hanging around people who werent such, but I had no idea, nor did any of my co-workers. In other words, we take people at face value, believe what they say, and expect it to be true. The fact is, criminals dont care who they lie to and how much they lie. It is a slippery slope and becomes almost second nature, even when dealing with friends and family - especially when dealing with money. But as honest people, we often do see the clues or expect it because we dont have the experience of mingling with these individuals. Its white-collar crime and it is the most difficult to discover, but when it is, it is usually pretty broad-ranging. I am not sayng anyone is a criminal here, all I am saying is things arent always as they seem, and just because you believe someone has always been honest with you and you want to believe them, it doesnt make it so. |
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Posted By: David Vargha
I spoke with a good friend of mine this morning, Kaiser Soze, and you wouldn't believe some of the stuff he said that's going on in the hobby. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
David- at this point I would pretty much believe anything. Would you care to share a few juicy morsels with us? |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Barry, you really need to see that movie. |
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Posted By: Max Weder
Great movie reference for this thread (although it did take me a while to get it) |
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Posted By: Brian
Jeff - I stated that Greg's comments are allegations and obviuosly the articles speak for themselves factually. If you presume these articles are about the same J.P. Cohen then make a decision based on his past and choose never to do business with him or his company again. I'm focusing on my personal experince with J.P. Cohen over the last few years as a dealer in the |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Brian- I didn't mean "who are you" in any disrespectful way. I just didn't know who I was speaking to, that's all. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
Fair enough Brian. |
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Posted By: leon
Since you didn't put your email address would you please email me privately? Thanks a lot..... leonl@flash.net |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
Brain...again no last name.... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Brian- to respond further I will tell you I have never done a nickel of business with Memory Lane, and must confess I didn't even know who J.P. Cohen was until I read the article posted on this site and went through the thread. So I am dealing here exclusively with first impressions. I do not have access to any facts, and I don't plan to convict him of any crimes. But we all make first impressions, and mine is: I don't like what little I know about him. If even a fraction of that article is true, he sounds like a real scumbag, and I don't think he and I will be getting together for a beer anytime soon. |
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Posted By: Brian
Frank - You are correct, I am responding to all the negative posts based on the posted article. Am I defending anyone's history here? No, just conveying my experience with dealing with J.P. directly. |
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Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Brian, |
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Posted By: dennis
we all liked OJ too....... |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
the watchmaker down the road who turned out to be a nazi camp guard in Austria seemed like such a nice old man too! |
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Posted By: leon aka dictator or "dick" for short
I emailed Brian (hi Brian) and he emailed me right back with his contact info. I don't mind not putting the name on the board AS LONG as he's willing to email right back with his contact info etc.... If anyone emails Brian and he doesn't email you back let me know and I will give you his contact info, that's only fair. He seems ok to me from the email I got but that's all we have ever communicated, that I am aware of. Most anonymous people that blast folks won't email back and then I delete, censor, ban etc....best regards |
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Posted By: Brian
Ryan and Frank, here you go. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Brian, your postings are hilarious. You refuse to even acknowledge if the JP Cohen of Memory Lane is the same JP Cohen in Greg's articles -- yet you suggest that the conduct committed by Memory Lane's JP is "alleged" (despite the fact that he plead guilty to fraud) and that the very few handful of dealings that any one consumer might have had with Memory Lane or JP are more relevant than his incredibly sordid recent fraudster past? Dude, you're kidding, right? Since he's such a good friend of yours and he's done you so many favors, why not do him a solid now and call him up and find out whether or not he's the JP Cohen in Greg's articles? Wouldn't it be a shame for him to be taking such a beating out here unfairly? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jeff- your key phrase is "governmentally unregulated industry." It's just for that reason that so many unethical hanger-ons have flocked to this business, because schemes and cons that wouldn't fly elsewhere work like a charm in the sports memorabilia industry. |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Brain |
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Posted By: Paul
Maybe it's a little off point, but I thought I'd offer my unique perspective on this -- the perspective of one of JP Cohen's (small time) victims. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
The funniest parts of Brian's posts is that he takes a few swipes at Greg's morals and motives yet still won't even acknowledge that his good friend JP of Memory Lane is the guy in the articles Greg posted. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Paul- what is astonishing about your story is that as long as they were scamming you, why not tell you that 95% of the donation goes to charity? Who would consider giving any money if one thought that only 15% would go to the cause? They sound like really dumb scammers. I never give anybody money for anything over the phone, because you just don't know who is at the other end. |
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Posted By: Brian
Jeff- I'm not an idiot and I responded the same way earlier. Obviously these articles state conviction and plead guily. I used the word "allegations" in referencing these articles as factual to this being the same J.P. I met J.P. as a collector not some social circle. My own personal experiences are based on him as a dealer. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Brian, I hear you re JP's recent history at Memory Lane. But again, you still seem unwilling to at least confirm if it's the same JP in Greg's articles. I don't consider the public criminal record of a guy to be a 'private life' matter. And I think such an egregious, long-running, nasty fraud that he was involved in is something that any rational person who deals with Memory Lane or JP would at least be interested in. All of your points are well taken and my position is that the good - and the bad - should be thrown into the hopper when making a determination on going forward with him in business. To suggest that only the past few years matters, however, is really a bit short-sighted in my opinion. |
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Posted By: cmoking
Brian, you are forgetting #4, which is the MOST important question for collectors: |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
Ahh Brian, the almighty dollar! If that is your only guide it is going to drive you into some very dark, dark corners.......and the people you are going to have to hold hands with, well, lets' just say that soap and water won't always make you feel clean afterwards. |
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Posted By: Brian
Jeff - I just sent you an email. Would one of you please answer the obvious question? |
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Posted By: B.C.Daniels
" Just so everyone knows... |
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Posted By: Brian
E. Daniel - Nice post. Now tell us your experience with J.P. Cohen as a dealer. Have you ever worked with him? Any feedback regarding this guy as a dealer? As far as the almighty buck you idiot, it's not my job to police the hobby and make moral judgements for people like you. Now you are trying to parallel this with FORTUNE 100 CEO's? Where exactly is this going? I'm a scum bag because I report that I've had a positive experience in my dealings with J.P. Cohen? Again, give us collectors something relevant about this guy as a dealer. I think my experience helps collectors much more than your opinion of these articles. I'm not defending anyone's actions in these articles, just posting my experience in dealing with J.P Cohen and Memeory Lane. |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
I have dealt with JP as a dealer and I really don't know if I have been ripped off. Many of my "maximum bids" in the Memory Lane auctions have indeed gone to that level. Was I cheated? I honestly don't know. I did not use to think so, but with these new revelations...NOW I AM NOT SO SURE. |
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Posted By: poorjackman
I have bought some lower-priced items from the company, |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
I love people who rant and froth in a 150 word diatribe, and then insist on the respondent restraining their reply to 1 word....... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
To say Mr. Cohen has made some mistakes in the past seems like a bit of an understatement. Sounds like he made the same mistake, over and over again, to thousands of people, with very little remorse and without learning much from them. Perhaps there are many in the hobby who have had positive dealings with him, but the things he did in the past sound really, really bad. And we are not talking penny ante stuff either. Again I will add I do not know him; I've just been following this thread over the last couple of days. |
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Posted By: Brian
Daniel - Just as I expected from you. You can't respond to my request regarding experience with Cohn as a dealer. Obviuosly proving my point that besides giving us your moral and ethical thoughts on these articles, you have zero first hand knowledge on this guy as a dealer. Like most self-rightous babblers, you just enjoy reading your words in print. As if your thoughts have now become the moral compass of this board. My very redundant point is what is your or anyone's on this board's experience with J.P. Coehn as a dealer. Any chance of giving me a 150 word plus response to Cohen as a dealer? |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
Brian, your 150 words will be forthcoming as soon as you respond to all the other redundently asked follow up questions of you.......how does knowing that someone you deal with (and stand up for so very PASSIONATELY) STOLE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS from regular Joes and Jills, impact on your need to buy and sell cards from and through him? |
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Posted By: Brian
Daniel - Can't you get it through your "thick" head my point here? I don't get into Cohen's or any other dealer's personal business. Is it relevant if it's true? Yes, it is. At this point I'll assume it's all 100% true and give the guy the benefit of the doubt based on my personal experience until my next dealing with him. What is wrong with that? |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
One hears what you are saying. On the other hand, just as a general matter not specifically related to this situation, there comes a point at which some people would not want to do business with someone who crossed a certain moral line in other business or personal dealings. For example, I might feel uncomfortable buying cards from a convicted child molester even though he was a perfect gentleman in card transactions. Similarly, others might feel uncomfortable buying cards from someone who (apparently allegedly whatever qualifier you want to use) swindled innocent folks out of money on pretenses of raising funds for charities including sick children. It's just a matter of personal judgment, so your point, while valid, is not the only relevant perspective. |
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Posted By: poorjackman
Daniel asked, in part: |
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Posted By: shane leonard
I have done a few transactions with J.P. Cohen and all of the transactions have been great. Did he shine my shoes after I bought a card from him? No. I really don't understand why it is important how he treats you, what he does for you or even who he screwed 18 years ago. I am buying cards that I need for my collection. Regards if the dealer has a bad hair piece or the whore that he has set up with him has a cocaine issue- If I need the card I am buying it. |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
No, in fact now that you have managed to admit that none of what Mr Cohen may have done in the past will affect your future dealings with him, I can very clearly state that I have never knowingly bought or sold an item to Memory Lane Inc. If the articles mentioned in this post are accurate, I will never do so in the future. My opinions about doing business with him are clearly based on character or lack of - and not proffessional, and I'm extremely comfortable including such criteria in my judgment processes. |
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Posted By: Brian
Poorjack and Peter, |
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Posted By: Brian
Daniel - It wasn't my intent to try and influence anyone's thinking on this subject. All I did was convey my personal experiences with Cohen as a dealer. I suppose you must be glad that I'm not saying I had a horrible experience with him? |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
Certainly fair enough. |
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