T-206 Master List vs. Inaccurate PSA Master Set

[JP]

Scot Reader's Master List, accurate as of May 2009 I believe, can be found here.

Meanwhile, PSA's T-206 Master Set Composition can be found here.

PSA's list is missing numerous variations, and also has numerous cards that can't exist. For example, most people familiar with T-206s know that the O'hara and Demmitt St. Louis variations are rare because they were only printed with Polar Bear backs. Yet, PSA's Master Set composition lists 3 alternative, impossible backs for Demmitt and 1 impossible back for O'hara.

Not only is PSA's T-206 Master set impossible to complete, but if it were, it still would not even be close to a completion of the front/back combinations that are possible. So why is it even listed? Or why hasn't it ever been properly updated after all this time?

SIDE NOTE: Apparently Levi is the only guy on earth interested in making a go at it!

[tedzan]

Regarding your......" SIDE NOTE: Apparently Levi is the only guy on earth interested in making a go at it! "

Levi B., who I've known since 1981, is only the most recent guy to attempt a "master set" of T206's. Prior to Levi, I was
collecting T206 sub-sets. Prior to my T206 adventures, Brian Weisner and Art Martineau. Before them, Tony Carrafiell, Bill
Heitman, and Irv Lerner....to mention a few. I'm sure there are others that I've left out. So, what are you talking about ?

FYI....in 2005, I broke up my 2nd T206 set and started an all-PIEDMONT set. To date, I have accumulated 2104 different
T206 front/back combinations. The following details my T206 sub-sets and additional T206's..........

CARDS
-------
521......PIEDMONT factory 25 (-Doyle, Plank, Wagner)

408......SOVEREIGN (COMPLETE)

467......SWEET CAPORAL factory #30 (-Plank, Wagner)

.35......SWEET CAPORAL factory #649 (COMPLETE)

.50......SWEET CAPORAL factory #42 (overprint)....partially complete

.66......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 (near complete)

557......additional T206's with BROAD LEAF, CAROLINA BRIGHTS, CYCLE, DRUM, EPDG, HINDU, LENOX, OLD MILL, PIEDMONT,
--------POLAR BEAR, TOLSTOI, UZIT backs

2104......TOTAL cards


Will I continue to collect towards a Master set of T206's....that remains to be seen ?
More significant, is that my approach to collecting these T206 cards, is one which is structured. Resulting in identifying the
elusive No-Prints in these sub-sets.

TED Z

P.S.
So, try to get your facts straight before you post. And, your reference to PSA's list is a joke. Scot Reader's data and Bill
Brown's "super-set" excel spreadsheet are the most accurate.

[JP]

Ted, did you even read what I wrote??? It appears not...

The ENTIRE point of what I wrote was that PSA's master set composition is totally screwed up and inaccurate AND therefore impossible, and the question was why HADN'T they consulted something like Scot Reader's highly accurate master list to fix their errors? Instead you apparently didn't read a single word of what I wrote and focused on a single side comment I posted at the end.

You focused on the comment about Levi's current REGISTRY attempt on the master set and ignored absolutely everything that was said before that. The side comment was based on the PSA registries, and Levi IS the only one to complete even a third of that shoddy master list PSA has pulled out of their a$$.

Maybe you were so anxious to tell everyone about all the different T-206s you own that you completely overlooked my entire post. My god, even the title of the thread is about how PSA's list is inaccurate!

[tedzan]

There was no need to tell us about PSA's inaccurate list.....it's common knowledge.

And YES, this comment of yours required a response......

" SIDE NOTE: Apparently Levi is the only guy on earth interested in making a go at it! "

Especially this excerpt......"the only guy on earth"......this is so over the top, are you serious ! ?


I'm not to far from Levi's place; and, visit with him occasionally. We have shared our T206 info over the many years.


TED Z

[JP]

Originally Posted by tedzan

There was no need to tell us about PSA's inaccurate list.....it's common knowledge.

Ah...I see you've FINALLY read what I wrote and realized that you had it completely backwards....and realized that what you were angry with me about made no sense, since we were on the same side!!!

To say that there is no need to talk about PSA's inaccurate list may be your curmudgeonly opinion, but there are others of us out there who might feel differently. I was hoping to stimulate enough conversation on this topic so that PSA would actually get off of their a$$es and FIX their inaccurate registry...that way more than just Levi would be interested in participating.

Originally Posted by tedzan

And YES, this comment of yours required a response......
" SIDE NOTE: Apparently Levi is the only guy on earth interested in making a go at it! "
Especially this excerpt......"the only guy on earth"......this is so over the top, are you serious ! ?

Well, let's see.

1. We live on planet earth.
2. PSA has only one T-206 Master Set registry
3. The list of the all-time finest registered sets is here
4. And Levi is the only person to have ever completed even 1/3rd of it

So the statement that "Levi appears to be the only person on earth making a go at the PSA master set registry" is 100% accurate. I don't care if you and 1,000 of your friends have complete raw master sets, we're talking about the PSA registry here, and I don't see their names....

I, for one, would appreciate it if PSA would take the time to read Scot Reader's research and fix the required items for the master set. I, for one, would then be more likely to try and complete it, as I'm sure others would. Owning a REAL master set in PSA graded cards would be worthless at the moment because it wouldn't fit into their required item parameters.

[ullmandds]

I wish PSA would get better at accurately grading and labeling the cards they grade...prior to honing their stupid registry...just my opinion.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by JP

So the statement that "Levi appears to be the only person on earth making a go at the PSA master set registry" is 100% accurate. I don't care if you and 1,000 of your friends have complete raw master sets, we're talking about the PSA registry here, and I don't see their names.....

JP, that is a bit over the top there are lots of non-graded collections of T206's out there. Ted is just trying to explain that one can't go off these sites as to what has been done in the collecting hobby.

Keep in mind PSA and SGC are pretty new to the hobby still, card collectors have been around long before grading companies.

As for pop-reports and lists from grading companies most all are way off, if you want to fix them email the company direct.

Just my 2 cents.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by JP

Scot Reader's Master List, accurate as of May 2009 I believe, can be found here.

Meanwhile, PSA's T-206 Master Set Composition can be found here.

PSA's list is missing numerous variations, and also has numerous cards that can't exist. For example, most people familiar with T-206s know that the O'hara and Demmitt St. Louis variations are rare because they were only printed with Polar Bear backs. Yet, PSA's Master Set composition lists 3 alternative, impossible backs for Demmitt and 1 impossible back for O'hara.

Not only is PSA's T-206 Master set impossible to complete, but if it were, it still would not even be close to a completion of the front/back combinations that are possible. So why is it even listed? Or why hasn't it ever been properly updated after all this time?

SIDE NOTE: Apparently Levi is the only guy on earth interested in making a go at it!

JP,

You do realize that you did not mention the PSA Set Registry once in your original post. You mentioned the master set composition. While you may find the master set composition in the PSA Registry section, it's not the same thing.

[JP]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

JP,

You do realize that you did not mention the PSA Set Registry once in your original post. You mentioned the master set composition. While you may find the master set composition in the PSA Registry section, it's not the same thing.

The "list" is the PSA registry's T-206 master set composition. It is the heart of the issue, what makes participation to complete the list so sparse. The list is the registry, the registry is made from the list.

To those suggesting I contact PSA, I assumed this was just another dig that seems to be sent my way. I've emailed PSA about it in the past. The response was as expected - no response.

To those suggesting I post this on PSA's forum, you think they are going to let a post crticizing their service survive and flourish? Think again.

And lastly, I'm not sure how flipping came up again...it seems Potomac Yank's go to joke. I am not a flipper. I've been collecting for over 25 years and the LARGE percentage of my collection has been unchanged for many years. I sell a bunch of dupes that I recently bought, an one notable Plank and suddenly I'm a flipper. If you don't know me, don't label me.

Lastly, I've been a member of this forum for years, just took time off during the transition from the old boards to the new. I am not a newbie, to collecting or these boards.

[JP]

Ted,

This thread was never about all of the collections and cards that may be out there. This thread was ONLY about PSA's messed up registry. If you don't care about PSA, then don't post in this thread! But to answer my post with a completely irrelevant off-topic response about non-PSA graded cards is not going to yield a happy response from me.