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02-02-2012, 05:02 PM
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If I were SGC, I would BUY this fake and get it off the market!
HOW EMBARRASSING!
The so-called experts graded this obvious FAKE as real and leave it on the market. What a joke! 3rd party grading is very sad and so are the people that pay the premiums for it! I feel very sorry for all of you. http://www.ebay.com/itm/390385563484...84.m1423.l2649 
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02-02-2012, 05:10 PM
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True. +1
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02-02-2012, 05:32 PM
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Obviously SGC doesn't read this forum or they would have removed that card from the hobby two weeks ago when it was first posted here.
Any updates on the 1970s postcards they are slabbing as 1930s?
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02-02-2012, 06:03 PM
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If I were SGC, I would BUY this fake and get it off the market! Reply to Thread
Not sure if they look on this site much anymore! but they should do something about the reprints on the market that are in thier holders
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02-02-2012, 06:16 PM
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don't know
I don't know if any of them read this board anymore. I will give them a shout tomorrow and chat with them as they do advertiser and I like the guys in general. This card shouldn't be in one of their holders, or anyone's, unless labeled a reprint.
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02-03-2012, 02:28 AM
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Find the real truth about ebay and authenticators
Take a read if you dare. Grand ol Ebay gets exposed in many articles here.
http://www.autographalert.com It's a real education for you ebay and psa lovers.
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02-03-2012, 08:51 AM
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I've heard you complain about their grading in several threads now, but looking at your own cards for sale it's pretty obvious that you miss things. Here's an example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-To...item56474c683b In that listing, you claim that the card has "NO (captialized) creases!" I can see a crease on the bottom right side running horizontally through the "D" in Cobb's uniform. I can also see it on the back as well. Again, not knocking you, but if you missed this crease then perhaps you missed others in you SGC submission? I can see that crease through my computer screen, so you should definitely see it with the card in hand. Don't feel sorry for me for grading cards. Feel sorry for yourself when somebody buys that card thinkintg it has no creases and negs you because it DOES.  
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02-03-2012, 09:03 AM
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just spoke to them
I just spoke to SGC...That originally posted game card has been removed from ebay and SGC said it was a long ago mistake. They acknowledged it was a mistake. I am not sure what else I can say except what I have said. Best regards
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02-03-2012, 10:40 AM
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David,
The fundamental difference nobody is paying Dan $5-50 bucks a whack for his opinion. The fact is that grading was designed to get rid of the uncertainty of grading amongst a population. Meaning in the old days there was learning curve when you bought cards. Some folks EX was VG at best others VG was EX etc. Heck I remember when I bought my first few cards from the Fritsch catalog described as EX they had creases and paper loss on some. LOL That was the problem. The good in theory business idea was to have a company take the guess work out of the buying and grading process thus leveling the field. Like I said a great theory but it will ever work because graders are people too. Meaning they will screw up, one guys Friday afternoon EX is another graders Monday morning VG. Inconsistency and graded fakes are in direct contrast with the entire business theory of why grading popped its head up in the first place. If we still have grades all over the place, trimmed cards in graded holders along with fake cards then one has to ask the question what value is being brought. That is what Dan is trying to say here IMO. I just like the holders they could label every card AUTH or AUTH-T for trimmed or AUTH-A for altered and that would be ok with me. Cheers, John P.S. Yes Dan missed the wrinkle on the right...heck it's even my old card LOL. Last edited by wonkaticket; 02-03-2012 at 10:52 AM.
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02-03-2012, 11:11 AM
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John
I agree with everything you said except the first sentence. You are right, nobody is paying Dan $5-50 for his opinion, they're paying him $1600. His opinion is that the card doesn't have any creases, when the fact is that it does. He missed a crease. It's not a big deal. We all do sometimes. I believe him to be an honest person. I don't think he's intentionally trying to mislead anybody and he'll probably fix the listing once he reads this. He obviously just overlooked it. All I am saying is that if he missed a crease that obvious on the Cobb card, who is to say that he didn't miss others on the cards he submitted to SGC? I just don't like the way he comes on here and insults those of us that do send cards to SGC by saying he feels sorry for us. Regards, David Edited to add: If he has a beef with SGC and wants to state it publically on this board, then that is his right. But when he starts insulting those of us that do send cards to SGC by telling us he feels sorry for us, then he's crossed the line (with me at least). Last edited by vintagetoppsguy; 02-03-2012 at 11:15 AM.
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02-03-2012, 11:47 AM
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David,
No excuses here....you also may not be aware that sometimes Dan's dad does a lot of the listings. Mr. McKee is one of my fav people in the hobby isn't a spring chicken anymore. Although you wouldn't be able to tell him that!  David that’s sort of the whole point I was trying to make. Say Dan did see the crease and says to him that card is EX then you know Dan is an over grader not unlike Fritsch was back in the day. So you sort of keep a running tally of how folks grade and take that into consideration when you do business with Dan or others. This exact process is what got complex and what the grading companies were in theory invented to get rid of. The problem is it’s just as subjective now as it has ever been. Then toss in the fact that there is even more upside for high grades compared to the old days and there is even more trimming and slimy stuff going on. Like I said great in theory but grading companies have far from delivered or protected us from ourselves to date. They have also fallen way short of the utopia that was to come from having 3rd parties involved. If anything it’s added an entire new facet of complexity to the hobby not simplified it. Cheers, John P.S. Dan buy your pop some new glasses will ya you cheap bastard. Last edited by wonkaticket; 02-03-2012 at 11:49 AM.
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02-03-2012, 10:11 PM
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02-04-2012, 07:30 AM
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Just found the green T206 Cobb I have up on ebay and how depressing! There is a slight crease in it that I completely missed and I must not have rolled it out!
Bummer, I am not sure if that constitutes that I can't grade since I have 10,000+ positives on ebay but vintageshinystuffguy is right! There is a slight wrinkle in the card. I have to change my listing and get a better picture up. Ugh! thanks for the heads up though David. Dan
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02-05-2012, 07:37 AM
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