Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

YES! There WAS a very substantial pennant thread before you came along. Perhaps someone can find it (who's better than me at the search function). I think of it periodically and would actually love to see it.

But when yours/this one came along, it rendered the other one irrelevant (as referenced by the utterly insane # of views )

Also just FYI, the irregular tassel placement is very typical for that '51 ASG Pennant. I've seen others just like that many times. 100% legit.

I knew it was legit. It does look like it used to have three tassels, top and bottom, but lost one on the bottom.

I’d like to see the old thread, too, but I’ll bet half the photos are grayed out Photobucket.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

YES! There WAS a very substantial pennant thread before you came along. Perhaps someone can find it (who's better than me at the search function). I think of it periodically and would actually love to see it.

Would be fascinating to read and see what mysteries/theories existed pre-Pennant Guys. Also, painfully entertaining reading collector amazement when a Tobacco era pennant sold for $400.

[MK]

Originally Posted by perezfan

YES! There WAS a very substantial pennant thread before you came along. Perhaps someone can find it (who's better than me at the search function). I think of it periodically and would actually love to see it.
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https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...hlight=Pennant

[Fballguy]

Whoa Mark...Top 3 in 2007? Imagine where you rank now?!

Very first post too.

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Posted By: Mark Steinberg
Mike: I just joined tonight, and this is my first post.

I think I might have the best vintage baseball pennant collection in the world... top 3 anyway. The collection spans from turn of the century to the late '60s. It stops at the point manufacturers felt the need to cheapen / mass-produce the artwork, make them stiff instead of soft, and include the MLB Logo. Until I can figure out how to display them on the floors or ceiling however, I have had to slow it down a bit. I had hoped to create some type of memorabilia museum someday, but am doubtful that enough people would actually appreciate.

[ooo-ribay]

That’s gonna be fun to read through those TWO pages!

[ooo-ribay]

I was watching this on ebay...a mailing envelope for the 1955 Post cereal patches. The Phillies patch shows the hat with orbiting baseball. Greg, was this motif used circa 1955 on Phillies pennants? There are a few kind of hard to find Giants pennants with this motif, but I think those ones are mid-1970's.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

That’s gonna be fun to read through those TWO pages!

That was exhausting!

Mark mentioned doing a coffee table book, 17 years ago. Well...?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I was watching this on ebay...a mailing envelope for the 1955 Post cereal patches. The Phillies patch shows the hat with orbiting baseball. Greg, was this motif used circa 1955 on Phillies pennants? There are a few kind of hard to find Giants pennants with this motif, but I think those ones are mid-1970's.

Rob, yes, there is a Trench which dates to 1955-57 with the “orbiting ball” logo and the “TMC” trademark that dates it.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Rob, yes, there is a Trench which dates to 1955-57 with the “orbiting ball” logo and the “TMC” trademark that dates it.

Cool. Pic? I had thought these were like 20 years later but I could be wrong. Bocca?

[bocca001]

I think those Giants are 1970s. There are several "similar" pennants for the A's and Mets (circa 1973 or so.. with players names) that seem to be from the same maker. I'm guessing they were inspired by that long used Phillies logo.

[UKCardGuy]

That old thread was a fun read. Mark do you still have that 1939 Baseball Centennial pennant?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by MK

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...hlight=Pennant

Many thanks to Mike K. for finding that! What a fun look back at my first-ever net54 posts.... funny thing is that I'm not much better at posting pics now than I was back then. Hard to believe that was almost exactly 17 years ago!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

That was exhausting!

Mark mentioned doing a coffee table book, 17 years ago. Well...?

Well, I wouldn't place a wager on that one these days (any more than I'd bet on the Reds to win the World Series).

[perezfan]

[QUOTE=Fballguy;2470571]Whoa Mark...Top 3 in 2007? Imagine where you rank now?!

Well I have added some nice ones for sure, but also let go of many that were irreplaceable (including that oversized Red Sox that I led off with )

Thank goodness there's no "registry" for pennants, but if there was, I have a feeling that there's a father and son duo from Wisconsin and a super collector from NJ who have surpassed me. Not to mention a dealer/collector from Texas with the jaw-dropping Red Sox collection and a few other guys who prefer to remain anonymous!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

That old thread was a fun read. Mark do you still have that 1939 Baseball Centennial pennant?

Hey Gary...

That Baseball Centennial Pennant was just a joke I played, that I had completely forgotten about. I had a piece of blank blue felt, and placed a Centennial Sleeve Patch and cut-out pictures of a bat and ball on top of the felt.

Totally fake.... There was a bunch of bogus and fake memorabilia on Ebay being passed off as real back then. So I thought it was pretty funny at the time to parody it. If you go back and read it, you'll see that it was never intended to deceive.

Hope all is well,
Mark

[Fballguy]

Ebay's been absolutely dead lately...as has just about every other site. But then when you least expect it...the grind pays off. These have been sitting in a chest in an attic in Eastern PA for at least the last half of their lives. And now they've been freed.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Ebay's been absolutely dead lately...as has just about every other site. But then when you least expect it...the grind pays off. These have been sitting in a chest in an attic in Eastern PA for at least the last half of their lives. And now they've been freed.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Ebay's been absolutely dead lately...as has just about every other site. But then when you least expect it...the grind pays off. These have been sitting in a chest in an attic in Eastern PA for at least the last half of their lives. And now they've been freed.

Did YOU get them??????

[MK]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Ebay's been absolutely dead lately...as has just about every other site. But then when you least expect it...the grind pays off. These have been sitting in a chest in an attic in Eastern PA for at least the last half of their lives. And now they've been freed.

Fantastic find indeed.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Ebay's been absolutely dead lately...as has just about every other site. But then when you least expect it...the grind pays off. These have been sitting in a chest in an attic in Eastern PA for at least the last half of their lives. And now they've been freed.

OMG! These were on eBay? Has to be the greatest pennant find ever.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Ebay's been absolutely dead lately...as has just about every other site. But then when you least expect it...the grind pays off. These have been sitting in a chest in an attic in Eastern PA for at least the last half of their lives. And now they've been freed.

Wow, I need to know what search terms you're using.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Ebay's been absolutely dead lately...as has just about every other site. But then when you least expect it...the grind pays off. These have been sitting in a chest in an attic in Eastern PA for at least the last half of their lives. And now they've been freed.

Nice find. Fantastic condition for the age

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

OMG! These were on eBay? Has to be the greatest pennant find ever.

Not on ebay. Facebook marketplace believe it or not. The chance of this coming to fruition was around 1%. So many hurdles to clear.

First of all, to answer another question, you'd have to misspell "pennants" in your search to find them. The seller really fat fingered it.

Bocca actually saw them first, the entire lot for...wait for it....$40. Even with the misspelling it was only a matter of time before someone else, potentially local, thus more desirable, found them.

Add in...this was Facebook marketplace...a minefield of scammers to navigate thru and Marc freaked the seller out when he informed him of what he had lol. The guy thought Marc was a scammer and ghosted him. So Marc handed it off to me.

I told the guy I was very interested and asked for additional pictures. The only picture in his listing, I've included below. That's when I discovered there were two more baseball pennants. When I made my offer, the guy started to get suspicious of me...but was intrigued enough to stay engaged. I was suspicious as well. Sending this kind of money to a stranger on FBMP sounds like a horror story waiting to happen. I asked for his phone number. We had a couple of phone conversations. I showed him my website and after a little waffling between "let me think about it" and "lets do it" he warmed up to the deal. He seemed like a nice guy, which put me at ease. In his early 70s. He and his wife were in the process of clearing out his mother in laws house. The wife had never seen the pennants before but believed they were bought by her grandfather. No idea what they had, they initially considered throwing them in the dumpster and it was the wife who suggested FB. They were this close to likely disappearing forever.

Since Marc saw it first, I asked if he wanted to buy in, which he did.

The last hurdle was whether or not he'd be comfortable shipping. Most sellers on FBMP will not ship. But he was fine with it and shipped the next day. The USPS cooperated as well. They were shipped on Friday and delivered on Monday.

Crazy, unexpected deal.

[Fballguy]

The deal sealing follow up pics.

Note...The "Desert of Maine" pennant has been signed by Elmer. Not sure if that helps or hurts value. Thoughts?

[bocca001]

I had no idea that there were more pennants. I had offered a good bit more than he was asking. But I was leery of getting scammed. And I could not afford to risk thousands. In the end, the seller got much more than $40 and 2x to 3x more than I was willing to risk alone. So he benefited in the end, Rob and I are getting some benefits. And others down the line will hopefully benefit as well (I’m keeping the Giants though).

[ooo-ribay]

^^^^ As Mike Wolfe would say, “picking folklore.”

[bocca001]

There is also some poetic justice in this for me. I was officially suspended from one of the main facebook pennant groups about a month ago for telling someone that their pennant with a "Reproduction Company" tag was both original and old (it was a Michigan football pennant). This lot that Rob and I purchased has a good number of Reproduction Company pennants. The Giants will be the first Repco pennant that I own.

[UKCardGuy]

What a great find and an amazing story. Congrats. If your looking to sell any of the baseball pennants, I'd certainly be interested.

[MK]

Wow! What a story. Great ending for both parties.

[UKCardGuy]

In doing some research today, I came upon this pennant from the 1913 Giants-White Sox world tour. I thought it was pretty cool.

https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/charlie-...ey-ccc1818a9bd

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

In doing some research today, I came upon this pennant from the 1913 Giants-White Sox world tour. I thought it was pretty cool.

"pretty cool"? I would say that's very cool!

[Hankphenom]

Those early pennants are gorgeous! Couple of questions:
1) Are those the earliest known?
2) Were all teams represented?
3) Any complete collections known?

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

In doing some research today, I came upon this pennant from the 1913 Giants-White Sox world tour. I thought it was pretty cool.

Way, way cool! Some truly historic events on this tour. Wonder if any other pennants from it are known?

[Pologroundsidol]

Looking for any information on this blue Sox pennant. Please DM me.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Those early pennants are gorgeous! Couple of questions:
1) Are those the earliest known?
2) Were all teams represented?
3) Any complete collections known?

These are basically the earliest known series of baseball pennants. The approximate date is about 1910. IMO, this is the best series of pennants ever.

No, all teams were not represented. Kyle can probably give you who is exactly known. Mainly east coast teams.

This is about as compete as you’ll find in one place. Mark has some very nice examples in his collection.

These pennants are very very rare.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

These are basically the earliest known series of baseball pennants. The approximate date is about 1910. IMO, this is the best series of pennants ever.

No, all teams were not represented. Kyle can probably give you who is exactly known. Mainly east coast teams.

This is about as compete as you’ll find in one place. Mark has some very nice examples in his collection.

These pennants are very very rare.

I was just reading Kyle’s blog about the “B.B.C. series”….Kyle feels all 16 teams were probably made but it’s impossible to say since so few have survived.


https://pennantfever.weebly.com/blog...eproduction-co

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I was just reading Kyle’s blog about the “B.B.C. series”….Kyle feels all 16 teams were probably made but it’s impossible to say since so few have survived.


https://pennantfever.weebly.com/blog...eproduction-co

I'd be shocked to see some teams turn up, and truly believe that they were never manufactured for many teams.

I've been collecting pennants for 50 years, and have never seen a "BBC" Phillies, Pirates, Highlanders, Naps, Dodgers, Braves, Cardinals, White Sox, Browns, Tigers or Reds (which I would kill for). In fact, I have never seen an oversized Reds Pennant, period.

Maybe the "Dooin's Daisies" was a BBC Pennant (can't recall for sure), but if anyone can provide images of the pennants listed above, please do!

[perezfan]

Dooin's Daisies was indeed part of the BBC Series, so there IS a Phillies. Scroll down and you can see it on this link...

https://www.thegoodphight.com/2023/8...elphia-daisies

[UKCardGuy]

Speaking of Phillies pennants, it looks like you picked up a great Phillies pennant recently, Mark.

https://youtu.be/23pTfvvNzQE?si=l5XqIRXFczAIKAzj

Congrats on the pickup. Any chance you could you share a photo for cataloguing purposes?

[Fballguy]

Here's a nice Phillies you don't see every day. Sold for a cool $13K in 2017. Not even oversized.

What's the significance of the decapitated head? Pair of balls?

[MK]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Here's a nice Phillies you don't see every day. Sold for a cool $13K in 2017. Not even oversized.

What's the significance of the decapitated head? Pair of balls?

That is an incredible graphic. And it appears to be very graphic.

[UKCardGuy]

Amazing pennant Marc. Thanks for sharing it.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Speaking of Phillies pennants, it looks like you picked up a great Phillies pennant recently, Mark.

https://youtu.be/23pTfvvNzQE?si=l5XqIRXFczAIKAzj

Congrats on the pickup. Any chance you could you share a photo for cataloguing purposes?

Here it is… already framed! Tough to get a good photo, as it’s a long, skinny bastard. Super interesting that it’s the same maker as Rick’s Red Sox pennant pictured in post 647. Same exact long bat with team mascot positioned to the left.

Many thanks to Keith Javic (Vintage Sports Flips) for consulting me and making it available. Keith is one of truly great guys in the hobby. He looks young, but has been doing it seemingly forever. Most of you probably already know him, but in case you don’t, be sure to check out his awesome YouTube Channel. If you appreciate the “thrill of the hunt”, you’ll love Keith’s videos (link below…)

https://m.youtube.com/@vintagesportflips/videos

[perezfan]

Sorry for the gigantic pic. Here's one that's sized more appropriately...

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Here it is… already framed! Tough to get a good photo, as it’s a long, skinny bastard. Super interesting that it’s the same maker as Rick’s Red Sox pennant pictured in post 647. Same exact long bat with team mascot positioned to the left.

Many thanks to Keith Javic (Vintage Sports Flips) for consulting me and making it available. Keith is one of truly great guys in the hobby. He looks young, but has been doing it seemingly forever. Most of you probably already know him, but in case you don’t, be sure to check out his awesome YouTube Channel. If you appreciate the “thrill of the hunt”, you’ll love Keith’s videos (link below…)

https://m.youtube.com/@vintagesportflips/videos

Great pickup! You say you’re slowing down but I don’t believe it.


re: “Rick’s Red Sox pennant” - I didn’t realize Rick Haskins ever posted here. I have heard the name many times but, unfortunately, I’ve never had the pleasure of dealing with him.

And, yeah, Keith Javic looks really young! (comparatively speaking, I guess )

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Here's a nice Phillies you don't see every day. Sold for a cool $13K in 2017. Not even oversized.

What's the significance of the decapitated head? Pair of balls?

Dated pennants and especially World Series pennants always seem to command a crazy-high premium. Certainly appears to have been the case here.

As for the significance of the creepy severed head.... no idea. Was it described in the auction's write-up? I forget who had that one... most likely REA, Hunts, Lelands or Mastro.

[Domer05]

FWIW, this Phillies pennant was likely manufactured by The Reproduction Co. as well, probably around the same time period as the B.B.C. offering, ca. 1910-14.

Here's two more that seem to match your pennant, Mark. All featured rich polychromatic artwork uniquely created for each team. The cub artwork is the mirror image of "Bear with bat," which was copyrighted by Repco in 1910 and featured on other Cubs pennants from that era, as seen in the final picture below.

Are there any other known examples from this "horizontal bat series" out there?

[UKCardGuy]

There's also a red variant of the cubs pennant

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Dated pennants and especially World Series pennants always seem to command a crazy-high premium. Certainly appears to have been the case here.

As for the significance of the creepy severed head.... no idea. Was it described in the auction's write-up? I forget who had that one... most likely REA, Hunts, Lelands or Mastro.

It was REA. They described it as a portrait image of Phillies manager Pat Moran. Weird that they placed William Penn's hand on top of it so it looks like he's carrying a severed head ala Kathy Griffin.

Just noticed too...The makers hid a bat behind Penn. It's peeking out from between his shins. Why not make that more prominent?

[ooo-ribay]

It’s crazy how rare the RepCo pennants are. My guess would be most of the original owners died 1940-1970. If the pennants were even kept that long, and I’m sure many weren’t, they were probably just tossed after the owner’s death since baseball memorabilia wasn’t really a “thing” in that time frame.

Why would anyone spend 100x (1000x?) more for a ‘52 Mantle card?