Hey, pennant guys

[ser1979]

Recent pickup, little dirty so I'll probably give it a quick cleaning to help brighten the colors. Will look nice along the other tiger pennants I have with the "stalking tiger" graphic.

[661fish]

Originally Posted by bocca001

The layer that came off was almost like a top coat? Something akin to varnish? It was not just dirt.

Shellac perhaps?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Recent pickup, little dirty so I'll probably give it a quick cleaning to help brighten the colors. Will look nice along the other tiger pennants I have with the "stalking tiger" graphic.

Great Tigers pennants. All tough! Awesome grouping… congrats!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Recent pickup, little dirty so I'll probably give it a quick cleaning to help brighten the colors. Will look nice along the other tiger pennants I have with the "stalking tiger" graphic.

Looks great in that red felt … nice acquisition!

[perezfan]

Just a quick heads-up…

Just listed some nice Brooklyn pennants on the BST. Please feel free to check them out and thanks!

Mark

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Wow, that seems like a strong price for the sweater, but I do wish they made those for more schools.

Rob- I had the same thing happen with retroclean on he Oilers pennant below. The areas that are now white started as an off-white color. Something about that layer reacted immediately with the retroclean can came off, leaving the more stable white paint below. It still looks ok. I kind of wish I had left it alone, but the blue cloth was very dirty/browned before I cleaned it.

So that’s a cloth Canteen pennant? Interesting … I thought they were all felt. That’s very cool. Oilers have some nice pennants.

[thetahat]

Got this recently. These cloth ASCO/Button House player pennants always intrigued me. I’d love to know if a checklist exists. This is smaller (14”) than the slightly more common ones (20”).

What’s weird is the airbrushed cap. He had only played with the Cubs, 1965 through 1971 before his trade to Oakland. What other cap could he be wearing? I can only think of a trademark/copyright issue with the team… the “Cub Power” cloth pennants seem to date to approx. 1969.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Just a quick heads-up…

Just listed some nice Brooklyn pennants on the BST. Please feel free to check them out and thanks!

Mark

Great pennants you are offering, Mark. Never saw that gold Dodgers before. Very cool.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Got this recently. These cloth ASCO/Button House player pennants always intrigued me. I’d love to know if a checklist exists. This is smaller (14”) than the slightly more common ones (20”).

What’s weird is the airbrushed cap. He had only played with the Cubs, 1965 through 1971 before his trade to Oakland. What other cap could he be wearing? I can only think of a trademark/copyright issue with the team… the “Cub Power” cloth pennants seem to date to approx. 1969.

I would agree about the trademark issue. Notice the team name just says Cub power, not Cubs power.

[ooo-ribay]

I wholeheartedly approve of anyone divesting themselves of d**gers crap!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

I would agree about the trademark issue. Notice the team name just says Cub power, not Cubs power.

That appears to be the case. This has 1969 MLBPA trademark but not MLB, in the back of the picture. Same with the large white Cub Power pennant pictured below. The red one which does not airbrush out the Cubs logo on the pics, has both MLBPA and MLB trademarks.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Recent pickup, little dirty so I'll probably give it a quick cleaning to help brighten the colors. Will look nice along the other tiger pennants I have with the "stalking tiger" graphic.

Nice pennant. I'd probably display it right side up, but that's just me.

[Domer05]

I found this interesting patent application filed by Ted Scarlett, of Imprint Art Co., a.k.a., IMPKO, concerning an invention to expedite the manufacture of pennants in 1959--a half century after Repco's John Clark Udall filed his first patent for the screen printing method:

See: https://ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-pu...oadPdf/2888900

IMPKO wasn't known for making the highest quality pennants, but this idea concerning the manufacture of spines ("hems") and tassels ("ties") was interesting inasmuch as it saved time, labor, and provides further insight on how some pennants were made, like this one below, at the mid-century mark.

By the way ... how'd you like to visit Intercourse, PA??

[Fballguy]

Been to Intercourse as a kid. My parents were into road trips and when it wasn't Rapid City, SD to see Mount Rushmore (and every tourist trap along the way) or Yellowstone...Pennsylvania was a popular destination. Don't remember much about Intercourse other than being old enough to realize it was a weird name for a town...as I was typically buried in comic books and football cards in the backseat, which my mother plied me with like morphine to keep me from complaining on the road.

This is one of Impko's more popular creations...The Alien Brownie. You can still find these in the packaging.

Kyle...Did you find the blog article out there. If you google the name it comes right up. Here's an excerpt.

"IMPKO: SOME CHEEZY POP HISTORY by Art Chantry"" Not much is factually know about IMPKO, they began as a souvenir picture postcard company sometime just before the turn of the 20th century. Soon, they started to market 'pennants' - those little miniature flags that you get as souvenirs with tourist locations silk screened on them. That quickly switched over to cheezy 'sports' pennants. Basically any novelty item silk screened on paper was also produced by them: bumper stickers, signs, novelty 'plaks'. Water transfer decals (produced with a silkscreen process) were soon to follow. It was a small step to simply make the same images inside little square decals and sell them alongside the other souvenir paraphernalia. IMPKO itself had gone out of business in the 1970's (or thereabouts. nobody is sure). "

[ooo-ribay]

Cool info, Domer. It sometimes amazes me to discover what is "patented." This Giants pin has a patent number on the back for its very janky clasp mechanism.

[Brent G.]

I picked this up recently -- it's the most delicate piece of fabric I've ever seen. I asked an Indianapolis historian when it's from, and he thinks its the 1914 Federal League team.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Brent G.

I picked this up recently -- it's the most delicate piece of fabric I've ever seen. I asked an Indianapolis historian when it's from, and he thinks its the 1914 Federal League team.

Interesting...

This one (with identical Player graphic) has always been attributed to the 1930s-40s....

https://insidetheparkcollectibles.co...-LOT14004.aspx

So either the maker kept this graphic on file for a few decades, or the Mini Pennant is significantly more recent than the historian estimated. I would tend to believe it's the latter, but eager to hear what others think.

[Brent G.]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Interesting...

This one (with identical Player graphic) has always been attributed to the 1930s-40s....

https://insidetheparkcollectibles.co...-LOT14004.aspx

So either the maker kept this graphic on file for a few decades, or the Mini Pennant is significantly more recent than the historian estimated. I would tend to believe it's the latter, but eager to hear what others think.

Very interesting. I know the "Indianapolis Hoosiers" name was used for teams in 1884, 1887-89, and 1914. This is a 9-inch pennant. I'd love to know the real story, for sure.

[MK]

Anybody remember (or possibly win) any of these pennants from the auction? Would love to see what was sold.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by MK

Anybody remember (or possibly win) any of these pennants from the auction? Would love to see what was sold.

Me, too! I’ll bet they sold for pennies on today’s dollars.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Me, too! I’ll bet they sold for pennies on today’s dollars.

How about the rest of the stuff on that page? I'll bet You could put your kids through college AND buy yourself a nice house from what you'd make flipping just what you can see there!

[Fballguy]

Stretching the definition of pennant a bit and not sure what I'll ever do with it, but this was too cool to pass up. I was told it hung in Briggs Stadium in 1952, where the Texans played twice that year. The search for a picture begins...

(Cat left in for scale)

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Stretching the definition of pennant a bit and not sure what I'll ever do with it, but this was too cool to pass up. I was told it hung in Briggs Stadium in 1952, where the Texans played twice that year. The search for a picture begins...

(Cat left in for scale)

As domer would tell you, that’s a burgee!

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

As domer would tell you, that’s a burgee!

Big Burgee....10 feet x 7 feet.

[Domer05]

I love it!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Big Burgee....10 feet x 7 feet.

Any tags or stamping on that bad boy?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Any tags or stamping on that bad boy?

A lot of times the burgees are labeled. Here's a bunting and some accompanying correspondence. I hope no one has a problem with "Hey, pennant/burgee/bunting/banner guys."

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

A lot of times the burgees are labeled. Here's a bunting and some accompanying correspondence. I hope no one has a problem with "Hey, pennant/burgee/bunting/banner guys."

They share the same DNA. First cousins at worst.

I need to unfold and check the back. Will do that this weekend.

[Domer05]

If only other eBay sellers included a letter of provenance with every purchase....

Good stuff, Robs.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

If only other eBay sellers included a letter of provenance with every purchase....

Good stuff, Robs.

I may have asked for info but, yeah, the good old days...

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Yes... what a seller. He lists is as 1953 instead of 1954, he soils it, ages it, blunts the tip, and removes the Mitchell & Ness Tag. You can even see the break in the stitching on the reverse, from where the tag was removed. And after all this, he calls it original and authentic.

Sad that there are 15 bids... it's fakeness is so painfully obvious. As if an authentic 1954 Giants pennant would have a vague image of Mays making his famous over the shoulder catch.

I remember getting into a pissing match with SCP 8-10 years ago. They had the 1955 Dodgers Mitchell & Ness counterpart to this one... equally obvious in its fakeness. It had gotten bid up over $500 when I told them to take it down. They put up a fight and insisted that the consignor's father bought it at the '55 World Series at Ebbets Field. I had to show them 3 identical examples that were currently on the market (for under $40) before they finally removed it.

Y’all probably saw he re-listed it with a vague disclaimer of “may or may not be vintage.” Some poor schmo is out $180+ when tax and shipping are included.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Got this recently. These cloth ASCO/Button House player pennants always intrigued me. I’d love to know if a checklist exists. This is smaller (14”) than the slightly more common ones (20”).

What’s weird is the airbrushed cap. He had only played with the Cubs, 1965 through 1971 before his trade to Oakland. What other cap could he be wearing? I can only think of a trademark/copyright issue with the team… the “Cub Power” cloth pennants seem to date to approx. 1969.

What's the chance that that Holtzman pennant is a fantasy piece? The fabric looks different to the other Cubs Power editions. This is the back of my My Ernie Banks Pennant from the series. It has the MLBPA logo but not the Copyright text above it. It also has the name and address of All Sports Company. (My full size Cubs Power pennant has exactly the same).

Besides all of that...what are the odds that anyone would produce a pennant for Ken Holtzman?

[thetahat]

No it’s legit, cloth, just smaller than typical. It has the MLBPA trademark and the copyright symbol under Cub Power. I’m guessing they had pennants for at least the top Cubs players, and Holtzman was a 17 game winner in 1969.

Let’s see the front of that sweet Ernie pennant!

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

No it’s legit, cloth, just smaller than typical. It has the MLBPA trademark and the copyright symbol under Cub Power. I’m guessing they had pennants for at least the top Cubs players, and Holtzman was a 17 game winner in 1969.

Let’s see the front of that sweet Ernie pennant!

Thanks. I'll add that Holtzman to my catalog. I wonder if they issued one for each of the other players in that 12 player photo?

Here's my Ernie Banks pennant and the 3 player full size version plus a 1960 ASG pennant that's a new arrival this week.

[ChiefBeef]

I picked up on a few pennants and am wondering if anybody can help identify the year of these two pennants.

The first is a Cardinals. Found similar but not the same. Believe it is a 1960"s era.


The second is a hockey pennant. Toronto Maple Leafs. Believe it is of 1960"s era also. Anybody know about hockey pennants?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ChiefBeef

I picked up on a few pennants and am wondering if anybody can help identify the year of these two pennants.

The first is a Cardinals. Found similar but not the same. Believe it is a 1960"s era.


The second is a hockey pennant. Toronto Maple Leafs. Believe it is of 1960"s era also. Anybody know about hockey pennants?

Randy,

That Cardinals could be anywhere from 1960-75. I’d guess late 60s. Can’t tell for sure but it looks like the stiffer felt which would make towards the later end.

The Maple Leafs is ??? … I think this was made by a Canadian company … this kinda resembles others that were also made without a spine from the 1967-68 era - but not exact. It could be earlier. They will both look nice on your wall!

[thetahat]

There is a hockey series made right around the time of expansion, they all have the same painted spine. They are also cloth. I have noticed many destination pennants of Canadian towns and cities that look like this.

[Duluth Eskimo]

These leave something to be desired

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23564174893...A&LH_Auction=1

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

These leave something to be desired

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23564174893...A&LH_Auction=1

Brings a whole new meaning to "3/4 size" pennant.

[ooo-ribay]

The color is outstanding!

[Chargers1960s]

I have a couple different pennants that have both cities listed on the pennant. They are clearly from 1961 and I assume that there was overstock from LA that they did not want to trash so they put San Diego on it while keeping the LA in the shield. Times were tough for the early AFL and money was tight. This is only an assumption, not something I know for sure. Anyone out there have any info on these? Maybe they made them to keep both cities interested?

[bocca001]

Those sound like reasonable guesses. Really nice pennant. Feel free to show us more!

[ooo-ribay]

I had no idea the San Diego Chargers spent their first year in LA.

[perezfan]

Buyer beware....

This seller has an interesting perception of the word "vintage". All 5 are, of course reproductions and/or fantasy pennants with no proper disclosure...

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dkr...ball%20pennant

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Chargers1960s

I have a couple different pennants that have both cities listed on the pennant. They are clearly from 1961 and I assume that there was overstock from LA that they did not want to trash so they put San Diego on it while keeping the LA in the shield. Times were tough for the early AFL and money was tight. This is only an assumption, not something I know for sure. Anyone out there have any info on these? Maybe they made them to keep both cities interested?

I would imagine what happened here was the pennant maker was keen on making these for the new San Diego marketplace; but, was unaware at the time of production what the team's new logo would look like. Hence, the text within tail-end was appropriately updated; but the logo on the head-end was recycled from the previous 1960 season. This hybrid was probably their best option....

So, I don't think "San Diego" was added after-the-fact to update the pennant. I suspect this may have been a bootleg pennant that was briefly sold at some civic gathering in San Diego welcoming the new team?

Just a guess.

It's a cool pennant and I was unaware of one like it. Are there more out there for AFL teams like this? Dallas Texans? New York Titans?

[Chargers1960s]

It's very possible that this was for a civic event to welcome the team, hadn't thought of that before. They did have such a function at the El Cortez Hotel before the 1961 season. They had this team photo on the wall of the banquet room. It shows the 1960 LA Chargers but is labeled San Diego Chargers.

[ooo-ribay]

That is one demonic looking horse!

[Chargers1960s]

Here is the other version of this pennant.

[perezfan]

Of special interest to "Pennant Guys"...

The latest TSOG Video features a super rare and important 1914 World Tour Pennant featuring Christy Mathewson on a unique mustard-yellow felt.

I broke out one of my "top dogs" for this episode, and hope you enjoy! Link below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4_pA5AKf0U

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Of special interest to "Pennant Guys"...

The latest TSOG Video features a super rare and important 1914 World Tour Pennant featuring Christy Mathewson on a unique mustard-yellow felt.

I broke out one of my "top dogs" for this episode, and hope you enjoy! Link below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4_pA5AKf0U

Great pennant, Mark! Especially intrigued by the extended spine.