Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Mark: I’m not so sure this, like the ones you mention, is not an Ad Flag. They made pennants at least through the early 80s - I have a monstrous looking Pete Rose hitting streak pennant from ‘79 that I buried somewhere. I think I’ve seen an ‘82 Cardinals will all the tell tale signs.

Marc: can you show the stitching on the back? Ad Flag did a good tight stitch - will help to identify

It does look kind of Ad Flag-ish….the font, the guy.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

It does look kind of Ad Flag-ish….the font, the guy.

The custodian got named on the pennant?

[MK]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

The custodian got named on the pennant?

Apparently a clean clubhouse was very important to them! 😁

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

The custodian got named on the pennant?

Eddie Logan - more commonly known as the (home) clubhouse guy.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Eddie Logan - more commonly known as the (home) clubhouse guy.

Ahhh, makes sense.

[Vintagedeputy]

Just made arrangements to pick up these three pennants, Senators, Expos and Mets. Not the greatest pics…Can anyone shed some thoughts on value?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Just made arrangements to pick up these three pennants, Senators, Expos and Mets. Not the greatest pics…Can anyone shed some thoughts on value?

About $60 for the trio if these are auctioned on eBay. A little more individually … I’d say $20-30 Senators, $20-35 Mets, $8-20 Expos. The Mets pennant is very cool and IMO underappreciated.

[perezfan]

Those prices are also contingent on decent condition. If the tips are frayed, torn or missing, the prices could be lower than Greg posted. If the tips are perfect and pointy, they could go higher. I have seen the white Mets pennant in super nice condition sell between $50 - $60.

[bocca001]

Found one I didn't even know I was looking for. Seems like a typical single bar pennant, but it's cloth. First time I know that I've seen this in cloth (may have overlooked some in the past). To me, finding things like this (variations that are not so expensive, but unique or interesting) is fun and one of the reasons why I enjoy the hobby.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Found one I didn't even know I was looking for. Seems like a typical single bar pennant, but it's cloth. First time I know that I've seen this in cloth (may have overlooked some in the past). To me, finding things like this (variations that are not so expensive, but unique or interesting) is fun and one of the reasons why I enjoy the hobby.

I feigned lukewarm interest as you contemplated this one but I would've pounced if you passed. Would like to get the full set. It's the best version of the single bar series. I try to pick them up when I see them. Need about six more. Nice add to your collection. One interesting thing about these...They have really thick paint/ink, but it never seems to crack. You'd think it would be more susceptible due to the lack of support the cloth provides, but they hold up just fine as evidenced by yours.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

About $60 for the trio if these are auctioned on eBay. A little more individually … I’d say $20-30 Senators, $20-35 Mets, $8-20 Expos. The Mets pennant is very cool and IMO underappreciated.

Originally Posted by perezfan

Those prices are also contingent on decent condition. If the tips are frayed, torn or missing, the prices could be lower than Greg posted. If the tips are perfect and pointy, they could go higher. I have seen the white Mets pennant in super nice condition sell between $50 - $60.

Thanks, guys. I really just wanted the Senators one but the lot was too tempting to pass up. The Mets one is a little dirty from what I can tell so I’ll be looking for some cleaning tips if you guys have any.

[bocca001]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Found one I didn't even know I was looking for. Seems like a typical single bar pennant, but it's cloth. First time I know that I've seen this in cloth (may have overlooked some in the past). To me, finding things like this (variations that are not so expensive, but unique or interesting) is fun and one of the reasons why I enjoy the hobby.

Haha. That's funny. I knew I wanted one after I saw it, just could not decide how faded it was. It is not as red as similar felt single bar pennants, but the color is same front and back. So it may be uniform fading due to the dye not lasting, but at least it is not a crazy sun fade.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Haha. That's funny. I knew I wanted one after I saw it, just could not decide how faded it was. It is not as red as similar felt single bar pennants, but the color is same front and back. So it may be uniform fading due to the dye not lasting, but at least it is not a crazy sun fade.

Look underneath the edge of the spine. My guess is that it’s the same shade of red and you have a minty pennant.

Also: check the stitch. I’m guessing that it is similar to that of your 1982 pennant. That’s how my Eagles version is. Not typical of Trench, just as the cloth spine is not. But everything else screams Trench. A guess would put it roughly between the mid-60s logo versions and the first iteration of the 1967 trademark single bars. I don’t know enough about the other teams to pin it down.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Thanks, guys. I really just wanted the Senators one but the lot was too tempting to pass up. The Mets one is a little dirty from what I can tell so I’ll be looking for some cleaning tips if you guys have any.

I think you’d be safe with Oxyclean. Put a scoop in about an inch of bathwater. Keep an eye on it.

[ooo-ribay]

What do we make of this? It's flocking weird (and too expensive).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385560793950

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

What do we make of this? It's flocking weird (and too expensive).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385560793950

Legit 1930s and maybe priced reasonably. The same batter graphic appears on other unflocked 1930s that are same size.

[pologrounds]

Can anyone identify this pennant? Detroit? Tacoma? Era? Lmk

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

What do we make of this? It's flocking weird (and too expensive).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385560793950

That baseball stiching hurts my eyes.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by pologrounds

Can anyone identify this pennant? Detroit? Tacoma? Era? Lmk

How big is that? My uneducated guess says Tacoma.

Or, it could be neither. I think it would be hard to prove if this pennant is previously unknown.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by pologrounds

Can anyone identify this pennant? Detroit? Tacoma? Era? Lmk

I associate the "go go" memorabilia with the late 50s and 1960s, which to me makes this most likely a Detroit Tigers pennant. But anyone's guess is as good as the next. Unless of course, you think you know it all.

[bocca001]

There are two copies of this pennant listed on worthpoint, both identified as Detroit by the sellers (although they could certainly be wrong). Apparently not a common pennant either way.

[UKCardGuy]

Some new arrivals today and a question:

The new arrivals aren't very rare but I love the eye appeal and the prices were great.

The Tigers is 1950s by AdFlag but I noticed a mark on the lower part of the pennant by the spine. It looks like a T or a cross. Any ideas about what it identifies?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Some new arrivals today and a question:

The new arrivals aren't very rare but I love the eye appeal and the prices were great.

The Tigers is 1950s by AdFlag but I noticed a mark on the lower part of the pennant by the spine. It looks like a T or a cross. Any ideas about what it identifies?

Don’t know…..but those are ALL sweet!

[661fish]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Some new arrivals today and a question:

The new arrivals aren't very rare but I love the eye appeal and the prices were great.

The Tigers is 1950s by AdFlag but I noticed a mark on the lower part of the pennant by the spine. It looks like a T or a cross. Any ideas about what it identifies?

That mark is common. I have an ADFlag Boston pennant that is colored in and it has that same mark.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Some new arrivals today and a question:

The new arrivals aren't very rare but I love the eye appeal and the prices were great.

The Tigers is 1950s by AdFlag but I noticed a mark on the lower part of the pennant by the spine. It looks like a T or a cross. Any ideas about what it identifies?

Cool pennants. All but the sox pennant are by ADFLAG.

So, the "mark" you found isn't actually a maker's (or, concessionaire's) mark--although I can see why you might think it is one. It's called a "registration mark," and it's a tool used by screen printer's to ensure the screen is "in register" with the felt beneath it.

Usually, a registration mark would consist of a plus sign set atop a circle (like the Zodiac sign). After printing the first color, typically the white/underbase, you'd follow with a new screen for colors 2, 3, 4.... These screens would have the same registration mark, and the printer would line these up with the printed registration mark on the felt below to ensure everything was "in register."

Here, the printer just made an error: the registration mark was positioned too far inside the spine. (It's supposed to land outside the spine where it can be cut away.)

Here's a Trench-made pennant with the same defect....

[ooo-ribay]

Thanks, Domer! 👍

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Cool pennants. All but the sox pennant are by ADFLAG.

So, the "mark" you found isn't actually a maker's (or, concessionaire's) mark--although I can see why you might think it is one. It's called a "registration mark," and it's a tool used by screen printer's to ensure the screen is "in register" with the felt beneath it.

Usually, a registration mark would consist of a plus sign set atop a circle (like the Zodiac sign). After printing the first color, typically the white/underbase, you'd follow with a new screen for colors 2, 3, 4.... These screens would have the same registration mark, and the printer would line these up with the printed registration mark on the felt below to ensure everything was "in register."

Here, the printer just made an error: the registration mark was positioned too far inside the spine. (It's supposed to land outside the spine where it can be cut away.)

Here's a Trench-made pennant with the same defect....

Registration marks....who knew (I mean other than Domer ). Thank for explaining it so well.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Registration marks....who knew (I mean other than Domer ). Thank for explaining it so well.

This webpage and card photo should help as well - https://www.t206resource.com/Proofs.html

[UKCardGuy]

To keep the thread near the top of forum...

I've finally managed to pick up a St Louis Browns pennant in nice shape. Very happy with the WGN beauty.

[karamaxjoe]

What can you guys tell me about this Sox pennant that closed on eBay a few days ago? Except for the condition, it's very visually appealing. The one thing that bothers me is the uniform the player is wearing. It's not consistent.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by karamaxjoe

What can you guys tell me about this Sox pennant that closed on eBay a few days ago? Except for the condition, it's very visually appealing. The one thing that bothers me is the uniform the player is wearing. It's not consistent.

The same batter graphic appears on a few pennants from the mid 1910s, including a Federal League (Chicago?) pennant and a 1915 Phillies. I think this originated from a magazine cover. The makers didn’t worry about details I guess.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by karamaxjoe

What can you guys tell me about this Sox pennant that closed on eBay a few days ago? Except for the condition, it's very visually appealing. The one thing that bothers me is the uniform the player is wearing. It's not consistent.

I was watching that auction and ready to bid. I probably overthought it but the price got too high for me considering the condition of the pennant.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

To keep the thread near the top of forum...

I've finally managed to pick up a St Louis Browns pennant in nice shape. Very happy with the WGN beauty.

I gotta move to the UK!

I just stumbled across this pic in my computer files. Do any of you guys have this black version? I've never seen one (except for, obviously, in this picture I saved).

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by karamaxjoe

What can you guys tell me about this Sox pennant that closed on eBay a few days ago? Except for the condition, it's very visually appealing. The one thing that bothers me is the uniform the player is wearing. It's not consistent.

Great looking pennant, even with its condition issues. Seller posted a few more pictures than another pennant seller we know...

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by karamaxjoe

What can you guys tell me about this Sox pennant that closed on eBay a few days ago? Except for the condition, it's very visually appealing. The one thing that bothers me is the uniform the player is wearing. It's not consistent.

When I first saw it ... I thought he was wearing shorts!

(A foreshadowing of unis to come??)

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

The same batter graphic appears on a few pennants from the mid 1910s, including a Federal League (Chicago?) pennant and a 1915 Phillies. I think this originated from a magazine cover. The makers didn’t worry about details I guess.

Exactly... details be damned...

The same Bunting Batter image was also used for the only known St. Louis Browns Oversized Pennant and a Miracle Braves Pennant that I have. It was also used on an issue of Baseball Magazine. I loved the "crossed bats" motif on the Chisox Pennant, but heard that his unusual bunting technique led to some broken fingers.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I gotta move to the UK!

I just stumbled across this pic in my computer files. Do any of you guys have this black version? I've never seen one (except for, obviously, in this picture I saved).

That looks really cool in black. Never seen that reversed color variation. Sweet!

[Vintagedeputy]

Well, the pennants that I purchased finally arrived….

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Well, the pennants that I purchased finally arrived….

Hopefully they weren't damaged. Unless it's a crazy expensive pennant, I actually prefer them to be shipped gently rolled like that. It saves on the shipping costs and they generally arrive in good condition.

I've had some pennants arrived folded (and I'm using the term folded generously) and stuffed in an envelope.

What are your new arrivals?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Hopefully they weren't damaged. Unless it's a crazy expensive pennant, I actually prefer them to be shipped gently rolled like that. It saves on the shipping costs and they generally arrive in good condition.

I've had some pennants arrived folded (and I'm using the term folded generously) and stuffed in an envelope.

What are your new arrivals?

Eager to see the new arrivals for vintagedeputy as well... that loosely rolled technique is the new normal.

As for the part in bold.... same here about the folding. Amazing how these things can survive unscathed for 75 years. But just takes one bad ebay seller to fold it to conform to a manilla envelope, thus cracking the beautiful graphics for eternity. Such a pisser.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Hopefully they weren't damaged. Unless it's a crazy expensive pennant, I actually prefer them to be shipped gently rolled like that. It saves on the shipping costs and they generally arrive in good condition.

I've had some pennants arrived folded (and I'm using the term folded generously) and stuffed in an envelope.

What are your new arrivals?

I've yet to have one person say "No...I don't want free shipping. Here's an extra $30 so you can ship flat". And, honestly, I've never offered any seller the money for flat shipping either.

Not only is shipping flat ridiculously more expensive now, I've never had an issue with a 12x6x6 box while pennants shipped flat are routinely bent...even had, on more than one occasion, flat pennants folded and stuffed in my mailbox by a substitute letter carrier (my regular one knows better). It makes zero sense to ship flat unless you're going to use very durable cardboard, but many people don't because it pushes you into Priority...so I'm fine with loosely rolled.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

As for the part in bold.... same here about the folding. Amazing how these things can survive unscathed for 75 years. But just takes one bad ebay seller to fold it to conform to a manilla envelope, thus cracking the beautiful graphics for eternity. Such a pisser.

I regularly receive pennants folded in a bubble mailer. I can't even begin to understand how anyone would think that's a good idea. Sometimes you get the "thoughful" seller who says "I made a point to not fold on the graphics."

A few years back, I received both a Houston Colts and New York Titans pennant shipped together in the same bubble mailer from a fairly well known sports auction house. Damaged the graphics on the Titans to the point the paint fell off. They offered to refund the shipping cost.

[UKCardGuy]

I don't really buy pennants off ebay. When I use an AH, I usually speak to the shipping department and ask for them to be gently rolled. The best way do this is to use part of a poster tube as the core and roll the pennant arount it. That gives some support but till allows the sender to use a small box.

[ooo-ribay]

This was my "favorite"....from Argentina.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Eager to see the new arrivals for vintagedeputy as well…

They were the Senators, Mets and Expos pennants that I mentioned last week, seen here. Unfortunately, I’m out of town for a few days, so this is the only photo I can show you now. When I get back, I can post a better photo of each.

I had told the shipper that I was interested in any options to save a little bit of money on shipping, meaning that I didn’t need next day or priority and was fine if he shipped them and they took a week or two. He told me that he was offering a 20% discount on shipping this month so I thought it would be fine. I never thought in a million years that he wouldn’t ship them flat, and would roll them up like that in a Ziploc bag.

Unfortunately, this was a seller of general vintage memorabilia so maybe he doesn’t have a handle on treating baseball memorabilia with kid gloves.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

They were the Senators, Mets and Expos pennants that I mentioned last week, seen here. Unfortunately, I’m out of town for a few days, so this is the only photo I can show you now. When I get back, I can post a better photo of each.

I had told the shipper that I was interested in any options to save a little bit of money on shipping, meaning that I didn’t need next day or priority and was fine if he shipped them and they took a week or two. He told me that he was offering a 20% discount on shipping this month so I thought it would be fine. I never thought in a million years that he wouldn’t ship them flat, and would roll them up like that in a Ziploc bag.

Unfortunately, this was a seller of general vintage memorabilia so maybe he doesn’t have a handle on treating baseball memorabilia with kid gloves.

I think they’ll be fine, with a little ironing.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I think they’ll be fine, with a little ironing.

I think so too….once I find the box that the iron is in after the move!

[UKCardGuy]

They should iron out nicely. Just be sure to place a cloth between the pennant and the iron to ensure you don't overheat the graphics.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

They should iron out nicely. Just be sure to place a cloth between the pennant and the iron to ensure you don't overheat the graphics.

Great tip! Thanks!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Great tip! Thanks!

I’d suggest even with a cloth: don’t iron the front. The back can usually be ironed with direct contract, without cloth.