Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I haven't had great luck bleaching the stiffer white pennants. THe bleach doesn't seem to take as well.

I’d at least do the tassels and maybe a little soap and water on the pennant......if it was mine.

How come the Astros/49er’s/Santa Clara/Oilers guy keeps getting the good Giants pennants? Sheesh.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I haven't had great luck bleaching the stiffer white pennants. THe bleach doesn't seem to take as well.

Who do you guys think made the 49ers pennant?

Agree with AdFlag. It's both ugly and cool at the same time, with "cool" definitely winning out. Nice pickup Marc!

Greg, FWIW I have never seen an MLB pennant dated like that either (from any team). I'm equally impressed that you found an available spot on the "Wall of Fame"

[MK]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Here’s a recent pickup. There must be a hundred Orioles pennants from 1966-70, and a lot of them have years printed on them after the fact. It’s somewhat unique to them. Anyway I thought it was cool how the dates of the Baltimore home games are listed, even though Game 5 on the 10th was not needed. Don’t know of another WS pennant like this ...

Here’s the matching pin.

[bocca001]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I’d at least do the tassels and maybe a little soap and water on the pennant......if it was mine.

How come the Astros/49er’s/Santa Clara/Oilers guy keeps getting the good Giants pennants? Sheesh.

Ha!

Let me reorder for you: 1) Santa Clara (haven't seen a new pennant since Kyle dug one up from his epic 1915 CA find), 2) SF Giants, 3) 49ers, 4) San Jose minor league, 27) Houston stuff.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Ha!

Let me reorder for you: 1) Santa Clara (haven't seen a new pennant since Kyle dug one up from his epic 1915 CA find), 2) SF Giants, 3) 49ers, 4) San Jose minor league, 27) Houston stuff.

A cool experience (I may be repeating myself) ... 2009, my only time ever in CA, was a season-opener DH at SJSU, played the first game on campus and the second game at the minor league park which was in walking distance. Got swept.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I haven't had great luck bleaching the stiffer white pennants. THe bleach doesn't seem to take as well.

Who do you guys think made the 49ers pennant?

I'm a little late to chime in on this one ... but, yeah, ADFLAG is my guess, too.

Their artists seemed to really value depicting the facial characteristics of football players, as this one does.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by MK

Here’s the matching pin.

Nice pin! Is that a tough one to find?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by MK

Here’s the matching pin.

Very cool!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Agree with AdFlag. It's both ugly and cool at the same time, with "cool" definitely winning out. Nice pickup Marc!

Greg, FWIW I have never seen an MLB pennant dated like that either (from any team). I'm equally impressed that you found an available spot on the "Wall of Fame"

I keep finding more room to hang in this tiny 30’ by 15’ room. Right now the count is: 217 pennants hanging (10 which are oversized), and 80 minis. Not counting these Eagles pennants above the stairs and the four six-footers that serve as a pool table cover.

[MK]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Nice pin! Is that a tough one to find?

It shows up from time to time. Baltimore made so many pins during those years some of which are very common, and some are extremely difficult to find. This is probably somewhere in the middle.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I keep finding more room to hang in this tiny 30’ by 15’ room. Right now the count is: 217 pennants hanging (10 which are oversized), and 80 minis. Not counting these Eagles pennants above the stairs and the four six-footers that serve as a pool table cover.

That Red Eagles Pennant is a killer!

[perezfan]

Anybody here win this one? I thought it was one of the most beautifully constructed pennants I've ever seen. A pure work of art. For an early teens oversized pennant in that condition, someone sure snagged it for a nice price...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-woo...rdt=true&rt=nc

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I keep finding more room to hang in this tiny 30’ by 15’ room. Right now the count is: 217 pennants hanging (10 which are oversized), and 80 minis. Not counting these Eagles pennants above the stairs and the four six-footers that serve as a pool table cover.

How do you attach your pictures, Greg? Are they from your phone? I wish we could get some bigger pictures from the Pennant Savant.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Anybody here win this one? I thought it was one of the most beautifully constructed pennants I've ever seen. A pure work of art. For an early teens oversized pennant in that condition, someone sure snagged it for a nice price...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-woo...rdt=true&rt=nc

Just think how much work went into making that pennant style. So much sewing!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

How do you attach your pictures, Greg? Are they from your phone? I wish we could get some bigger pictures from the Pennant Savant.

Yeah I lazily use my phone. Sometimes it lets me upload “actual size” but other times I have to choose a smaller one. If I’m at the desktop I can better adjust. Is there a better way to use the phone to get a large pic?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

That Red Eagles Pennant is a killer!

Thanks Mark, it’s my only real nice Eagles pennant. It would have been cool to learn that the Eagles wore red in the first year but nope ...

Did anyone here pick up the Raiders or Texans AFL pennants thst were just sold on eBay?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Yeah I lazily use my phone. Sometimes it lets me upload “actual size” but other times I have to choose a smaller one. If I’m at the desktop I can better adjust. Is there a better way to use the phone to get a large pic?

Not sure on the phone. I keep all my Giants pics (stuff I have, stuff I’ve seen, stuff I want) on my desktop computer. Thus, my Net54 pics come from there.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

That Red Eagles Pennant is a killer!

Thanks Mark, it’s my only real nice Eagles pennant. It would have been cool to learn that the Eagles wore red in the first year but nope ...

Did anyone here pick up the Raiders or Texans AFL pennants thst were just sold on eBay?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Just think how much work went into making that pennant style. So much sewing!

I got this a month or so ago for like $65. Not sure if it’s worthless given the team or if the age alone makes it a good get. I got it because it looks neat. Niagara University is in Buffalo, my school actually plays them non-conference every now and then. It seems the school played only 10 games a year back in the teens. (Joe McCarthy played here 1905-07.) But this pennant is almost perfect, around 33.5”, and everything is sewn, every line, every wrinkle in the guy’s uniform. There’s no shot this was mass produced, is there? It seems like similar construction to the Madison pennant.

[thetahat]

Silk screening seems to date commercially back to 1911 based on some crude internet searches. So I wonder if these go back to the aughts. That would include the baseball pennants with the leather graphics. Screening would figure to be so much easier to mass produce, so that once it became a thing, why would anyone sew? The leather graphics offered an alternative to sewing in that details could be burned on with a heated tool.

[Domer05]

The first pennants to be screen printed first hit the market around 1910-11. It was obviously seen among pennant makers as a superior way to make a pennant because you could do so much more in terms of artwork using this method, which permitted very detailed graphics. More importantly: it required significantly less sewing and therefore required less time and money to produce such items.

But, these advantages notwithstanding, sewed letter pennants never entirely vanished. In fact, Collegiate-Pacific continued making them through the 1970s; and Winning Streak still makes them today (kind of).

Some manufacturers had no choice but to continue making sewed letter pennants. That's because the first companies to successfully adapt screen printing for making novelty pennants guarded the process behind it with utmost secrecy. They didn't just do this to maintain a leg up on their competition; they needed time to apply for and secure patents, because they correctly foresaw the value in the process itself and its adaptability for other other applications, namely, advertising posters; and eventually, apparel.

I've identified about 4-5 pennant makers from the early 1910s that were among the first to make screen printed pennants. The one most of you may be familiar with is The Reproduction Co. of New York City. They made some of the most recognizable collegiate pennants from that era using this new production method.

I have seen numerous pennant catalogues and advertisements from makers well into the 1920s offering both "sewed letter" and new "art process" (screen printed) pennants for sale. So, unfortunately, just because a pennant is sewn letter doesn't automatically mean it was made pre-1910. I wish it were that simple....

[perezfan]

Great insights, Kyle!

Greg, that Niagara Pennant is sweet. Very attractive and unquestionably of the era (teens). A nice pickup for $65. LMK if you ever want to sell/trade, and make a bit of profit.

[perezfan]

Speaking of profit, it looks like Jonsstats makes out once again. Was this possibly a legit sale?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/orig-RARE-S...p2047675.l2557

The last time I had that Cardinals pennant, I think I got about $75 for it. And look at the ridiculous distance between bidders #2 and 3.

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/20...p2047675.l2565

I bet the winning bidder would like to behead bidder #2 right about now (for costing him a cool $929

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Anybody here win this one? I thought it was one of the most beautifully constructed pennants I've ever seen. A pure work of art. For an early teens oversized pennant in that condition, someone sure snagged it for a nice price...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-woo...rdt=true&rt=nc

I saw that one too and thought the same thing. I was going to post it, but didn’t want to put it in case someone really wanted it. The design is unlike any other I have seen. Really cool. That Niagra pennant is cool too

[jb217676]

Hi guys,
Here's my 1950's Brooklyn Dodgers pennant that I just got back from my framer today! It's my one and only vintage pennant so I did it up right, custom framed with Museum Glass. If anyone knows the specific year of issue for this pennant that would be awesome!

[perezfan]

Looks beautiful Jeff...

I’ve always loved that one and consider it to be the classic Brooklyn pennant. If you’re only going to have one, that’s an excellent choice. Not sure anyone can pin down a single year of issue, but pretty safe to say it’s early to mid 1950s... The Jackie Robinson era for sure.

Looks to be in great condition... a real beauty!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

The first pennants to be screen printed first hit the market around 1910-11. It was obviously seen among pennant makers as a superior way to make a pennant because you could do so much more in terms of artwork using this method, which permitted very detailed graphics. More importantly: it required significantly less sewing and therefore required less time and money to produce such items.

But, these advantages notwithstanding, sewed letter pennants never entirely vanished. In fact, Collegiate-Pacific continued making them through the 1970s; and Winning Streak still makes them today (kind of).

Some manufacturers had no choice but to continue making sewed letter pennants. That's because the first companies to successfully adapt screen printing for making novelty pennants guarded the process behind it with utmost secrecy. They didn't just do this to maintain a leg up on their competition; they needed time to apply for and secure patents, because they correctly foresaw the value in the process itself and its adaptability for other other applications, namely, advertising posters; and eventually, apparel.

I've identified about 4-5 pennant makers from the early 1910s that were among the first to make screen printed pennants. The one most of you may be familiar with is The Reproduction Co. of New York City. They made some of the most recognizable collegiate pennants from that era using this new production method.

I have seen numerous pennant catalogues and advertisements from makers well into the 1920s offering both "sewed letter" and new "art process" (screen printed) pennants for sale. So, unfortunately, just because a pennant is sewn letter doesn't automatically mean it was made pre-1910. I wish it were that simple....

This is great and it makes sense. Perhaps it is more indicative of pennants with elaborate sewn graphics like the ones pictured here ... someone could have saved a lot of time and money with a screen, if they had access.

I guess the first “series” to use screen print are the “B.B.C.” pennants which definitely date to 1910-14, due to the Phillies “daisy” pennants. One was in Hunt Auctions a few days ago, just beautiful .. but $9K including BP. Yikes!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Great insights, Kyle!

Greg, that Niagara Pennant is sweet. Very attractive and unquestionably of the era (teens). A nice pickup for $65. LMK if you ever want to sell/trade, and make a bit of profit.

Thanks Mark, I might take you up on that in time, I don’t have room to hang it.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by jb217676

Hi guys,
Here's my 1950's Brooklyn Dodgers pennant that I just got back from my framer today! It's my one and only vintage pennant so I did it up right, custom framed with Museum Glass. If anyone knows the specific year of issue for this pennant that would be awesome!

Jeff this is a cool pennant in great condition, love it with the frame.

Glad you posted it because this is from what I think is the largest “series” that we have yet to identify. I think it’s the same company that made all the “sliding runner” pennants along with the ones with script player filling up the body of the pennant, Phillies blue jays, etc. They tend to be a tick smaller, heavy felt, tight stitching, no tassels. Every now and then you see one of these with a split spine, as if a roll ended midway through seeing and they just started a new one on the same pennant. The roster pennants are 1948-50, though the Athletics have a 1945, Trench was already in their glory and these are radically different.

[jb217676]

Thanks guys!

Hi Greg, you're correct on the size. The first thing I noticed was it's just slightly smaller than your average sized pennant, that's why I had to go the custom framing route! Won it in an ebay auction earlier in the summer, just happened to see it as the auction was in the final few minutes!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Speaking of profit, it looks like Jonsstats makes out once again. Was this possibly a legit sale?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/orig-RARE-S...p2047675.l2557

The last time I had that Cardinals pennant, I think I got about $75 for it. And look at the ridiculous distance between bidders #2 and 3.

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/20...p2047675.l2565

I bet the winning bidder would like to behead bidder #2 right about now (for costing him a cool $929

Insane! Neat and rare pennant but come on, now!

[jb217676]

Cool links! Here's the link to my Dodgers Pennant that I won this past November:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-19...rdt=true&rt=nc

$157.50 USD plus $18.78 shipping! It's in fantastic condition... no stains or tears and the printing is real nice.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Speaking of profit, it looks like Jonsstats makes out once again. Was this possibly a legit sale?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/orig-RARE-S...p2047675.l2557

The last time I had that Cardinals pennant, I think I got about $75 for it. And look at the ridiculous distance between bidders #2 and 3.

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/20...p2047675.l2565

I bet the winning bidder would like to behead bidder #2 right about now (for costing him a cool $929

My first thoughts as well...No way that sale goes through. Who would even want that one that badly to risk such a high ceiling bid? It's a rarer version of a pretty common style...So maybe $150? It looks like it's already missing from his sold results so I suspect the sale is already falling apart.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Thanks Mark, it’s my only real nice Eagles pennant. It would have been cool to learn that the Eagles wore red in the first year but nope ...

Did anyone here pick up the Raiders or Texans AFL pennants thst were just sold on eBay?

I was tempted by the Texans, but the writing on the back bothered me. It ended up selling for $1565. He let the Raiders go for $560 which wasn't bad (not to me). Graphics a little cracked, blunt tip.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by jb217676

Cool links! Here's the link to my Dodgers Pennant that I won this past November:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-19...rdt=true&rt=nc

$157.50 USD plus $18.78 shipping! It's in fantastic condition... no stains or tears and the printing is real nice.

That’s a good deal, too! Love the graphic. Here’s another example with the same bum:

[thetahat]

I probably overpaid a little for this but don’t care, it’s pretty wild. Oiler man sent to the minors.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I probably overpaid a little for this but don’t care, it’s pretty wild. Oiler man sent to the minors.

That one is so cool. I would've had a hard time not buying it for $250 so I think you did ok.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

That one is so cool. I would've had a hard time not buying it for $250 so I think you did ok.

Thanks Rob. I’m intrigued a bit by minor league football in the 1960s. NFL Films did a fantastic documentary on the Pottstown Firebirds 1970 season, it’s on YouTube, I highly recommend.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I got this a month or so ago for like $65. Not sure if it’s worthless given the team or if the age alone makes it a good get. I got it because it looks neat. Niagara University is in Buffalo, my school actually plays them non-conference every now and then. It seems the school played only 10 games a year back in the teens. (Joe McCarthy played here 1905-07.) But this pennant is almost perfect, around 33.5”, and everything is sewn, every line, every wrinkle in the guy’s uniform. There’s no shot this was mass produced, is there? It seems like similar construction to the Madison pennant.

That's a beauty!

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I bet the winning bidder would like to behead bidder #2 right about now (for costing him a cool $929

In theory, he should be thrilled--he won it! But then's there's the theory of relativity in bidding...

[bocca001]

This reminds me of the Dodgers pennant we were talking about recently, with a team photo and city-related graphics. Looks like the planned/executed this one a bit better.

[bocca001]

Thanks to Mike M for making this available to me. The 16th Orange Bowl was Santa Clara vs. Kentucky. The material (shiny, silk like) is similar to two of my Orange Bowl pennants, which makes me wonder if the pennants were made to advertise the game (as opposed to sold at the game).

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Thanks to Mike M for making this available to me. The 16th Orange Bowl was Santa Clara vs. Kentucky. The material (shiny, silk like) is similar to two of my Orange Bowl pennants, which makes me wonder if the pennants were made to advertise the game (as opposed to sold at the game).

How big is that thing?

[bocca001]

It's about 17 inches in diameter, which is a perfect display size for me (I'm just about out of wife-approved wall space).

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Thanks Rob. I’m intrigued a bit by minor league football in the 1960s. NFL Films did a fantastic documentary on the Pottstown Firebirds 1970 season, it’s on YouTube, I highly recommend.

Yes...I've seen it. It's fantastic. King Corcoran was such character/con man. I think I actually have it on DVD somewhere. Nobody told a story like Steve Sabol. NFL Films hasn't been the same since he died.

[ooo-ribay]

This has no place in a pennant thread, but I wouldn’t want to antagonize the card guys.....$5.2M for a baseball card???? And we geek out over $5k pennants. Card guys are nuts.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

This has no place in a pennant thread, but I wouldn’t want to antagonize the card guys.....$5.2M for a baseball card???? And we geek out over $5k pennants. Card guys are nuts.

Yeah but is that after the buyer's premium?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

This has no place in a pennant thread, but I wouldn’t want to antagonize the card guys.....$5.2M for a baseball card???? And we geek out over $5k pennants. Card guys are nuts.

And there are 1,000 examples of that card for every one of those pennants.

Not to mention it's no comparison on the aesthetics.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

And there are 1,000 examples of that card for every one of those pennants.

Not to mention it's no comparison on the aesthetics.

That card would look like **** on my wood paneling.

[ooo-ribay]

I feel like a ‘52 Mantle is obtainable for anyone willing to pay.

A Keezer Giants like Bocca’s? I’d pay but they’re not out there!