Hey, pennant guys

[jsage]

Looks like the batter will break his wrists.
Cross-handed grip...............................

[bocca001]

Maybe it's a left handed batter looking back at the umpire to question his call...

[perezfan]

Either way, that’s one hell of a “war club” he’s wielding!

[bocca001]

Some colorful additions. Especially excited to add the NL champs pennant.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Some colorful additions. Especially excited to add the NL champs pennant.

I've always liked the AdFlag pennant with the red, white, blue gradient.

[Fballguy]

Every once in a while a CFL pennant catches my eye. Added this one recently. Love the artwork on it.

[Joe Hunter]

Picked up this toughie at an estate auction this past weekend. I wasn’t the only one that wanted it, but was finally able to get it for a reasonable bid.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Joe Hunter

Picked up this toughie at an estate auction this past weekend. I wasn’t the only one that wanted it, but was finally able to get it for a reasonable bid.

Nice!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Every once in a while a CFL pennant catches my eye. Added this one recently. Love the artwork on it.

Love the scared looking guy running under the goalpost and the fact that one lion chose to wear a helmet and the other chose not to.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Love the scared looking guy running under the goalpost and the fact that one lion chose to wear a helmet and the other chose not to.

Helmets were optional in the NFL prior to 1943...not sure about the CFL.

Rob

[jimm]

Great stuff!

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by gradedcollectibles10

The graphic also is pretty much identical to the 1950’s extremely rare Mullins Close Shave Pin.

Any info/thoughts are welcome and appreciated.

That is a fantastic pennant, but I'm not sure how you are calling the images "pretty much identical" I'm thinking a more apt comparison would be "not similar in any way other than that they involve the same character".

Still a great pennant though.

Doug

[matty39]

In 1936 or 37 The Red Ball sales Co.of Chicago sold or gave away small pennants, later called bf3s. In one of their promotions they advertised a mail-in program in which a person could receive one of 16 different large premium pennants. Below is the advertisement as well as a picture of some of the premium pennants. They are quite rare. In fact I never seen a Reds premium and single copies of several others. I also added a picture of three of the six that I own. Mitchell and Ness also muddied the water by making reproductions of the premiums.

[icollectDCsports]

Originally Posted by matty39

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Great info and beautiful display.

[bocca001]

Great stuff matty39. I'd love to spend a few hours on a guided tour through your room/display.

I've posted a picture of some recent pickups.

I've been collecting Santa Clara College/University items for many years, and it is rare for me to come across a pennant that I have never seen before. I upgrade now and then, but I don't think I've seen a new/different design in more than 5 years. So, last week, a new (to me) pennant pops up on eBay. But, to get the pennant, I had to buy a lot of 11 pennants. The seller actually had three lots of 11 pennants.

I also picked up the Giants pennant from Fballguy (thanks, Rob).

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Great stuff matty39. I'd love to spend a few hours on a guided tour through your room/display.

I've posted a picture of some recent pickups.

I've been collecting Santa Clara College/University items for many years, and it is rare for me to come across a pennant that I have never seen before. I upgrade now and then, but I don't think I've seen a new/different design in more than 5 years. So, last week, a new (to me) pennant pops up on eBay. But, to get the pennant, I had to buy a lot of 11 pennants. The seller actually had three lots of 11 pennants.

I also picked up the Giants pennant from Fballguy (thanks, Rob).

That’s funny about the Santa Clara pennants. I assume the price for 11 was something you would have paid for one? Or do you have illusions of getting rich off the other 10?

[bocca001]

The price for 11 was something like $55. That's just a bit more than what I usually pay for one decent/old Santa Clara pennant. I thought for a second about buying all 3 lots ($5 per pennant seemed so cheap), but then came to my senses. With 22, I might have been able to make a full circle!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

The price for 11 was something like $55. That's just a bit more than what I usually pay for one decent/old Santa Clara pennant. I thought for a second about buying all 3 lots ($5 per pennant seemed so cheap), but then came to my senses. With 22, I might have been able to make a full circle!

Stocking stuffers!

[perezfan]

Nice pickups, Marc...

Did anyone here get to that same seller in time for his "fire sale" of Dallas Texans and New York Bulldogs Pennants? They must've sold within seconds of being listed. All of them looked pristine. To say he gave them away is not much of an exaggeration.

It will be interesting to see what they go for individually, if/when they hit the auction block (which I believe will be relatively soon).

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Nice pickups, Marc...

Did anyone here get to that same seller in time for his "fire sale" of Dallas Texans and New York Bulldogs Pennants? They must've sold within seconds of being listed. All of them looked pristine. To say he gave them away is not much of an exaggeration.

It will be interesting to see what they go for individually, if/when they hit the auction block (which I believe will be relatively soon).

Ugh. I just pulled it up. I’ve had two Bulldogs pennants for years. Their value just plummeted more than the bolivar ....

[perezfan]

Mine as well.... and I just bought it less than 2 months ago

[bocca001]

How many Bulldogs pennants were there?

I see them now. 10 Bulldogs pennants, plus Texans, Yankees, and Giants football pennants. Wonder how all of those ended up in CA, from a seller who mostly deals in automotive parts? Seems to be new old stock. I get the Santa Clara pennants being in CA, but the others seem rather random.

[ooo-ribay]

Yeah, that seller has some random stuff.

I’m still following some seller who had some good Giants stuff, like 10 years ago....now he’s selling nothing but wrenches, sockets and distributors.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

How many Bulldogs pennants were there?

I see them now. 10 Bulldogs pennants, plus Texans, Yankees, and Giants football pennants. Wonder how all of those ended up in CA, from a seller who mostly deals in automotive parts? Seems to be new old stock. I get the Santa Clara pennants being in CA, but the others seem rather random.

As Mark and Erik already know...This is what's known as Rob's curse. During a normal day I'll check in on eBay several times. But when the Texans and Bulldogs pennants sold, I was on a flight to India and unfortunately, offline.

Has happened more than once. Luckily, I don't have the Bulldogs. Never found one at a price I liked. Now I'll probably never own one. I do have the Texans one however. Bummed to see the others hit the market. Especially in better condition than mine.

[bb66]

Great pennants. Thanks for showing.

[bb66]

Great pennants. Thanks for showing.

[bb66]

Great pennants. Thanks for showing.

[Darner]

Picked up this Phillies pennant. I'm unsure of its year but I suspect it is from 1943 because the Phillies logo resembles one used on a 1943 scorecard. It's not an exact match but it's close and that scorecard logo only appeared that year. New ownership switched to the Phillies Blue Jays in 1944 then settled on a shorter-looking wordmark in the 1950's and '60's.

[perezfan]

Never seen that one before... Great Find!

[Duluth Eskimo]

I would have guessed mid 40’s to early 50’s if you asked for a time period estimate. I believe there was a series of full sized that match this style. I don’t recall seeing this exact style, but I’m not much of a Phillies watcher.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Darner

Picked up this Phillies pennant. I'm unsure of its year but I suspect it is from 1943 because the Phillies logo resembles one used on a 1943 scorecard. It's not an exact match but it's close and that scorecard logo only appeared that year. New ownership switched to the Phillies Blue Jays in 1944 then settled on a shorter-looking wordmark in the 1950's and '60's.

First: awesome pennant! I am exclusively a pennant collector in the heart of Phillies country, and I've never seen this before. (So if you ever want to trade/sell …. )

Now when I saw this the first pennant that came to mind was this one from the 1969 Trench series … the city name is not a perfect match in font but very, very close, about as close as "Phillies" is to that in the yearbook. Obviously yours is older.

But I'm gonna take an educated guess though and say early-mid 60s. Looks a lot like a Keezer pennant, by the style of tassels. There are two other Keezer Phillies from earlier years, though … if this is a third that would be unusual. Now it's hard to see in the picture, but the white strip … is there only one row/line of stitching, as opposed to two? If it's just one down the middle, as it appears, then I will definitely say early-mid 60s, as I have a couple similar pennants with that rare stitch pattern and one of them is an LA Angels pennant. This is rare in that you're supposed to be able to slide a dowel inside that strip, but for these pennant the stitching makes it impossible. I'll have to dig it up …

[Darner]

Interesting information. I did notice the unusual single row of zig-zag stitching. I'd like to see the other pennants you're comparing it to. If it's from the 1960's, it's pretty oddball graphically.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Darner

Interesting information. I did notice the unusual single row of zig-zag stitching. I'd like to see the other pennants you're comparing it to. If it's from the 1960's, it's pretty oddball graphically.

Here ya go. Turns out I have three from this series. Very unique. I like the simple designs. Also including a pic of some of my Phillies pennants, the two on the second row from bottom are both Keezer pennants.

[murphusa]

Originally Posted by thetahat

First: awesome pennant! I am exclusively a pennant collector in the heart of Phillies country, and I've never seen this before. (So if you ever want to trade/sell …. )

Now when I saw this the first pennant that came to mind was this one from the 1969 Trench series … the city name is not a perfect match in font but very, very close, about as close as "Phillies" is to that in the yearbook. Obviously yours is older.

But I'm gonna take an educated guess though and say early-mid 60s. Looks a lot like a Keezer pennant, by the style of tassels. There are two other Keezer Phillies from earlier years, though … if this is a third that would be unusual. Now it's hard to see in the picture, but the white strip … is there only one row/line of stitching, as opposed to two? If it's just one down the middle, as it appears, then I will definitely say early-mid 60s, as I have a couple similar pennants with that rare stitch pattern and one of them is an LA Angels pennant. This is rare in that you're supposed to be able to slide a dowel inside that strip, but for these pennant the stitching makes it impossible. I'll have to dig it up …

the date is on the pennant by the MLB logo 1969

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by murphusa

the date is on the pennant by the MLB logo 1969

As a side note, that's the date of the trademark and it has been applied to pennants from the early 70s. NFL pennants (also Trench?) have 1967 dated trademark used for at least 3-5 years beyond.

This white Phillies one is highly likely to be from 1969 as it is cloth, not felt, and of the same style as a Seattle Pilots I own.

[Darner]

Great stuff, Greg! The construction sure suggests the Phillies was part of that series. Interesting that the three pennants you have use "official" team logos. The Phillies logo is just plain weird and quite unlike anything I've seen from the 1960's.

[perezfan]

Here is one of mine with the same criss-cross stitching. I'd thought it was a 1950s pennant, but guess it's actually early '60s, based on Greg's info.

It's similar to the Phillies with regard to the earlier logo being utilized. The "Batting Sock" Mascot was employed by the Red Sox from 1950 - 58. I guess that Keezer liked it enough to extend it a few more years.

I wonder how/where these were originally sold, as they are next to impossible to find today. Probably not ever sold at Stadiums, as a stick could not be inserted. Perhaps through Sporting Goods Stores, Department Stores or similar retail outlets. I also have the Reds pennant, and had a chance at the Cubs from this series a couple of years ago. But it was altered just badly enough to keep me from buying. Have not seen any others from this series since then... super rare!

[thetahat]

Mark, great pennant! Love that swinging sock graphic. Super cool.

[perezfan]

Thanks Greg!

A warning to all pennant collectors. A slew of new reproductions have hit the market, and they are NOT being disclosed as repros. They appear far more convincing than reproductions of the past. They look to have painted/screened graphics, as opposed to the tell-tale raised velvet.

I really wish that they would be required to print "Reproduction" on the reverse side. or provide some disclosure. Rather than posting a ton of links, here is the Seller who is peddling most of these....

https://www.ebay.com/sch/raokwithme/...p2047675.l2562

Be careful, and look closely at the spines/tassels. This is the biggest sign that they are recent reproductions.

[lefty147]

I saw those too. I did see on the back along the spine what looked like the edge of a cardboard tag.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by lefty147

I saw those too. I did see on the back along the spine what looked like the edge of a cardboard tag.

No doubt.

[perezfan]

Well, turns out the seller is a decent guy.

I emailed him about the lack of disclosure, and he promptly inserted "NEW" in the titles, as well as "REPRODUCTION PENNANT" to lead off the descriptions. Nice that he did the right thing.

Link to example...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Philade...Hb20:rk:5:pf:0

[icollectDCsports]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Well, turns out the seller is a decent guy.

I emailed him about the lack of disclosure, and he promptly inserted "NEW" in the titles, as well as "REPRODUCTION PENNANT" to lead off the descriptions. Nice that he did the right thing.

Link to example...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Philade...Hb20:rk:5:pf:0

Well done by you to prompt the change. Will avoid a lot of headaches for everyone in the future.

[Domer05]

Did the seller share with you where these reproductions came from? Did he make them himself I wonder? They're not bad as reproductions go....

The remnant of the card header on the reverse sure looks like Mitchell and Ness's branding (by Collegiate Pacific). But, as you noted earlier, these do appear to be screened or painted graphics--not flocked. I own many M&N reproductions and all were made with flocked graphics.

Decent wall hangers, for sure.

Thanks for the heads up, Mark.

[gradedcollectibles10]

Just picked up the Yankee pennant. Not in the best of shape, but figured they belong together.

[Duluth Eskimo]

If that was the one off eBay, you got a good deal. The condition was a little off, but that is a very tough pennant. I don’t have it, but I only look for the dated ones from years they won or I would have bought it. Nice pick up

[Duluth Eskimo]

BTW, that Dodgers pennant is very tough as well. Nice pennant

[gradedcollectibles10]

Thanks! I love the Dodgers pennant. One of my favorite pieces.
It’s a very scarce pennant. Most in that style will only reference national league champions. This one mentions world champions as well.

[thetahat]

Just added to my unhealthy and borderline destructive collection of late 30s/early 40s STL Browns pennants, looking for any and every variation. This is my second green one, the orange graphic being different than the other one which is more yellow/gold. (The tassels of the others are all tucked behind.) …

I vaguely recall seeing one in red … anyone know? (Mark?)

This graphic, IMO, ranks right up there with 80s Brewers and Hartford Whalers as the coolest sports logos ever.

[Duluth Eskimo]

There is a red one. I believe there is also a dated version other than your 1939. not including the World Series version. I don’t have photos of either, but I know I have seen a red one.